Power Mastered Options

[Simon]

I know a few of the dedicated healer characters have at least a version of this, but other than healers...

Is Power Mastered worth it? Certainly, on a standard day's adventuring, it's only marginally cheaper at each stage than just buying innates of the miracle, but without the flexibility of being able to cast the miracle multiple times in the same encounter...

1/hour for 150 points vs 5 innates at 30pts each
1/30 mins for (total) 250points vs 8 innates for 240pts
1/15 mins for (total) 350points vs 11 innates for 330pts

...and the numbers are more skewed if you have either Devotion or a m/c with a reduced spirit cost, like any of the Spiritual~ classes.

Devotion I is 80pts, giving you 18 innates at a cost of 15pts each, 270pt for the same 350pts

I don't know if this is a standard thing (Evolution-Classes doesn't say you can with the Spiritual~ m/c classes) but I've an m/c that gives -1 cost and allows Rhiannon to buy warding sphere innates at that reduced cost*; for 340points, I could get 17 Spirit Shields...

...I may have answered my own question, but still...



Opinions please.



*Which explains why it was so expensive

[MarkD]

Power grows (150 pts) for non-weapons wielding priests gets you to 5th level standard miracles, which obviously makes it much more cost effective.

Mark

[Simon]

Power grows (150 pts) for non-weapons wielding priests gets you to 5th level standard miracles, which obviously makes it much more cost effective.

Mark

Sure, but that would make it 500pts for 1/15mins, or (80pts for Devotion I plus sixteen innates at 25pts each for 480pts total)

I'm not seeing that as cost effective. Or as efficient, at least.

[BBB]

The Key thing to remember is basically Devotion locks you a single Sphere regards Major Miracles. I've never ever bought Devotion for that reason as I rather the flexibility of extra miracles

As a dedicated Healer its a bit different but you rarely have too much by way of healing!

You might even feasibly get Power Mastered to cast Advanced Miracles of you Sphere.

I have a sort of version of Power Mastered for my Minority Spheres Priest that upgrades to "can be used on Advanced Miracles up to half the level of standard miracles"

Also, these abilities really shine on Extended Lengths where "time in" is vastly longer so over the course of a day you could benefit far more than on a normal dungeon.

BBB

[Simon]

Oh, hang on; it's any miracle from a Sphere, not a specific miracle like Devotion I...

Yeah, ok; I've been reading it wrong, that's more flexible than I thought.


BBB; For sure, on all-day-time-in overlands/theme days/extended lengths and Myths, anything with a 'tick' like regen/Vessel etc really come into their own as potent.

[RichardCraig]

You are better off buying vessel for 600pts or buying a load of med abilities unless you have a knock on for the miracle you are going to cast in my opinion.

Feels like an ability from the world before vessel

[Simon]

You are better off buying vessel for 600pts or buying a load of med abilities unless you have a knock on for the miracle you are going to cast in my opinion.

Feels like an ability from the world before vessel

Craigy, the character I'm looking at this for already has Vessel.

I'm trying to work out the best way to get a lot of Spirit Shield innates because I've a bunch of apps for using them in interesting ways. Right now, it still looks like just buying a bunch is the most convenient way.

To my knowledge, both abilities are after-my-time in charge, I reckon they're pretty much contemporary with each other.

[Simon]

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[Dave]

scrolls

[Simon]

scrolls

Doesn't answer the question I asked, and has an associated grull cost and extra effort, especially for me as I'm not down often enough to make them or source them.

[AJull]

I have upgraded ‘Power mastered/Power grows’ to grant -5spirits to any handbook miracles on my list once per 15minutes. I find this has a big impact on my spirit use over a whole adventure. It was an extra 150 points.

[Simon]

I have upgraded ‘Power mastered/Power grows’ to grant -5spirits to any handbook miracles on my list once per 15minutes. I find this has a big impact on my spirit use over a whole adventure. It was an extra 150 points.

Thanks Andy, that's helpful; what do you mostly cast with that? (and What miracle list do you have?)

[DavidFisher]

I have upgraded ‘Power mastered/Power grows’ to grant -5spirits to any handbook miracles on my list once per 15minutes. I find this has a big impact on my spirit use over a whole adventure. It was an extra 150 points.

Presumably to a max of 1/2 original cost now as that's a new "hard" rule

I looked at it and considered it for Warding - spirit shield, spirit invis, especially as Devotion limits access to other spheres. In the end, while it was attractive in a "power for points" kind of way, its just sooo dull as an ability (which is why I think many folks don't buy it)

David

[Helsvell]

Presumably to a max of 1/2 original cost now as that's a new "hard" rule

I looked at it and considered it for Warding - spirit shield, spirit invis, especially as Devotion limits access to other spheres. In the end, while it was attractive in a "power for points" kind of way, its just sooo dull as an ability (which is why I think many folks don't buy it)

David

I an ability which instead of reducing the cost, the ability provides power towards the cost. It was to find a use for darkness innates which may have been the reason it was passed but this sidesteps the reducing below half issue. The intention was very clear in the wording of the ability.

For my comms priest, I have from the whole Power Mastered chain that I can cast Greater Communication for free every 15 mins with my upgrades. You have to be clear to state that upgrades work with your nonstandard ability as the Power Mastered chain states “ May now cast a single unenhanced standard miracle ”.

[isbiraven]

Removed, points already covered.