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post Feb 25 2022, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(fatteacher @ Feb 25 2022, 03:35 PM) *
I know Sonasello has great powers over the mind and have memories from before I turned on the wheel of Mallerstang, I think, having the ability to manipulate memories. There may be others that have the ability to do something with this.


Sirac is, unfortunately, a being of purely draconic energy. As such, neither he nor I are capable of interacting directly with one another in any meaningful mystical way. It is probable however that a ritual could be constructed, or a relic fashioned, to contain his memories, and then from there those placed within a new form. I imagine that new form would either need to be 'birthed' as part of ritual whereby the memories were released, or created, much like a golem, and then them implanted.

The memories could also likely adjusted if required, either to fulfil obligations made or as desired. For example one could contain the 'essence' of what makes Sirac, Sirac - his core beliefs and so on - but without the specifics of name, identity or certain memories.

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post Feb 25 2022, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(dnsmantra @ Feb 25 2022, 05:05 PM) *
Sirac is, unfortunately, a being of purely draconic energy. As such, neither he nor I are capable of interacting directly with one another in any meaningful mystical way. It is probable however that a ritual could be constructed, or a relic fashioned, to contain his memories, and then from there those placed within a new form. I imagine that new form would either need to be 'birthed' as part of ritual whereby the memories were released, or created, much like a golem, and then them implanted.

The memories could also likely adjusted if required, either to fulfil obligations made or as desired. For example one could contain the 'essence' of what makes Sirac, Sirac - his core beliefs and so on - but without the specifics of name, identity or certain memories.

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I thank you Lord Laght

If it is feasible for one type of power, I would hope it was for other forms too.
I am approaching Lords Blackheart and Sonasello with regards to this but may need more help in the future depending on what happens next.
I thank you again

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post Feb 26 2022, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(fatteacher @ Feb 25 2022, 05:22 PM) *
I thank you Lord Laght

If it is feasible for one type of power, I would hope it was for other forms too.
I am approaching Lords Blackheart and Sonasello with regards to this but may need more help in the future depending on what happens next.
I thank you again

Godric Snowsson


Based on the recent divinations we cannot save Sirac.

What we can do is try and include as many people in the statue element of the plan. That is what will give balance to it. The structure must be of the two dragons but that is because it represents Siracs Sacrifice and that in turn will channel that power to all powers that are invested in the statue.

My work on the statue is just the start but I am.lookomg for all powers to come and give something in to the base structure as well and placing in it a seed or egg of power to grow to balance it all

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post Feb 26 2022, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(Stevelouch @ Feb 26 2022, 10:25 AM) *
Based on the recent divinations we cannot save Sirac.

What we can do is try and include as many people in the statue element of the plan. That is what will give balance to it. The structure must be of the two dragons but that is because it represents Siracs Sacrifice and that in turn will channel that power to all powers that are invested in the statue.

My work on the statue is just the start but I am.lookomg for all powers to come and give something in to the base structure as well and placing in it a seed or egg of power to grow to balance it all

Jander


Whilst you are absolutely correct that as many different powers / groups as possible should be involved, I believe that the dragon eggs that will link to the statue can serve as foci for those powers. They do not all need to be a part of the statue itself. The eggs can be held and protected by those who have empowered them.

That is my understanding anyway, but may be worth further confirmation.

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post Feb 26 2022, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Netheril @ Feb 26 2022, 10:42 AM) *
Whilst you are absolutely correct that as many different powers / groups as possible should be involved, I believe that the dragon eggs that will link to the statue can serve as foci for those powers. They do not all need to be a part of the statue itself. The eggs can be held and protected by those who have empowered them.

That is my understanding anyway, but may be worth further confirmation.

Sirac


Yes as with most forging an alloy with multiple additions makes a balanced mix to start the base material work well which then improves when additional.mystical powers are added later and this part is to improve its longevity throughout the ages.

The key parts of powers being imbued will come later yes.

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post Feb 28 2022, 02:06 PM
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I've completed my scrying and provided details on the other thread. There are no significant problems, though I've highlight ways in which malign individuals might seek to interfere or sway the nature of the anchor.

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post Feb 28 2022, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(dnsmantra @ Feb 28 2022, 02:06 PM) *
I've completed my scrying and provided details on the other thread. There are no significant problems, though I've highlight ways in which malign individuals might seek to interfere or sway the nature of the anchor.

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Excellent and thank you, I have already starting mining and forging the various base materials that are needed and will be surveying the build site shortly.

Sirac can we arrange the most suitable location and further details. Clearly these need to be physically and supernaturally protected during the building work.

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post Feb 28 2022, 02:38 PM
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Before we start, I invoke the pact made on the veranda of the hunting lodge with the Countess of Truth and Lies.

So, I don't like the word "no" or the word "impossible", so I did my own little bits of digging. I have a little more coming perhaps, but don't hold your breath. I looked at what future versions of me know in various futures, at various times, and extrapolated back, and then compared to other situations of the past. Information is scant, but I'm slowly sifting through the various points in time in the future which are clear, and dredging through what the me of those times knows about what was tried, what worked and what didn't. The closer you get to a solid plan the more of these disappear though, as their potential diminishes. I will highlight that this method is useful because it circumvents a number of scrying protections which others may not be able to avoid. The future, is of course, still a vague tangle of potentials though. Still, some progress.

Anyway, on to 'saving' Sirac. I discarded several potential plans as unworkable, but have a couple of good leads.

I would suggest Myrion and others look into the Time Pillars of Quintilla. I believe there is a way in which either Sirac doesn't die in the ritual or that he both dies and doesn't. Or something along those lines. Several parallel threads in time snapped apart and back together. Threads are vague here, but I would advise people who care to go pull those strings and see what you find. There are futures where we win and he isn't dead. I can say that much.

I also mused that if a copy of Sirac’s memories are taken, then placed in another body, then cast to levity, so they don’t exist at the point of the ritual, emerging again only afterwards, if that would work. It has legs. Potentially coupled with the Time Pillars and is along the same lines. Two threads, one ends, one continues. I also considered cloning and forging an identical twin with the same memories and experience. They clearly aren't Sirac as the minute they do something they both act differently and are apart, but historically they're the same. I also mused about taking memories and modifying them just enough that the exostance doesn't recognise them as Sirac anymore. I couldn't work out how much modification was needed, but again this plan has potential.

I would advocate that the parallel threads approach, in either of its forms (or some combination), is sound and has legs. Over to those of you who are more active and able to travel than I to take it further.

If I discover more, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath.

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post Feb 28 2022, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(dnsmantra @ Feb 28 2022, 02:38 PM) *
Anyway, on to 'saving' Sirac. I discarded several potential plans as unworkable, but have a couple of good leads.

I would suggest Myrion and others look into the Time Pillars of Quintilla. I believe there is a way in which either Sirac doesn't die in the ritual or that he both dies and doesn't. Or something along those lines. Several parallels thread in time snapped apart and back together. Threads are vague here, but I would advise people who care to go pull those strings and see what you find. There are futures where we win and he isn't dead. I can say that much.


I have done this and will release further findings at Sirac’s discretion, I am hesitant to do so prior due to their mutable nature and the potential for interference.

It’s doable.

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