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post Jan 24 2023, 01:18 PM
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hi All

has anyone had any form of healing passed for using on undead ?

thinking of new toon whos's an undead healer.

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post Jan 24 2023, 01:29 PM
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post Jan 24 2023, 01:43 PM
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The lowest level one Ive seen only applies to undead dwarves. Pia has just been trying hard to get some spiritual healing for undead recently, and its mostly come back very weak. Best we got to was an enhanced spirit for undead and a miracle to refill it.

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post Jan 24 2023, 02:07 PM
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Go Wound Bringer, grab Major Healing (I know, I know) and Post 6th save your Souls Hunger return into a healing pot - reliant on obviously being able to cause wounds.


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There's a Causing Priest with very limited "my Cause Grievous can heal an Undead" innates.

There are some Druids who are okay at healing undead, with the proviso that they can't Breath of Life them.


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post Jan 24 2023, 02:16 PM
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Healing yourself, or other people?

Vampire has a long tradition of being able to heal; [Self] could be blood drinking for vampiric causing and self-healing, [others] could be via drinking your blood, like empathic healing... and there's always the old Condesecration unholy word "Lahk!" which was a mass cause to all in earshot and healed you.
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post Jan 24 2023, 02:24 PM
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I had passed a very restricted base class change - all my miracles worked on undead but they only worked on me and undead - so comms, and prots but also healing, I also had grey warden restrictions - not sure it was worth it, but was a nice idea

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post Jan 24 2023, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(jasonprice @ Jan 24 2023, 01:18 PM) *
hi All

has anyone had any form of healing passed for using on undead ?

thinking of new toon whos's an undead healer.

thanks


I've tried a number of options for Undead healing and they are pretty solid no's... if you find one to let me know



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QUOTE(Patch @ Jan 24 2023, 03:12 PM) *
I've tried a number of options for Undead healing and they are pretty solid no's... if you find one to let me know


I have a fun little way as Hive.

My blood is so potent it has double effect for any beneficial effect that comes from drinking it. Also is slightly intoxicating.

Been a few vampires that have had fun with that, and usually I can just heal myself afterwards. Except when Serin gets carried away! tongue.gif

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post Jan 24 2023, 05:03 PM
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Old App, but for Kaleb I've a 3 spirit miracle that can move life from 1 living person to another, or from 1 undead to another.
3 loc & TBLP inflicted to heal 1 loc & TBLP every few seconds
It's not efficient healing, but it is healing...
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post Jan 24 2023, 05:42 PM
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Post 10K Hospitaller with Empathic Healing.

Also a Runepriest whose miracles always work on undead.... but not usually in a good way. smile.gif
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post Jan 25 2023, 09:26 PM
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I’ve not tried this (healing undead) but note the increasing number of precedents now. Onyx mana being the most recent where 3tblp of damage for 1 of healing seems a baseline to work from.

This would seem eminently reasonable for a ghoul or vampire type. Perhaps as a ritual for a Wight or Wraith, sucking life-force from a victim (and if a ritual means then I’d work from a Duidoin style effect. Indeed I had a bit of Q&A with Lee about this… Duidoin MR Vampire seems a good idea to me)

I suspect thematic options will be worth exploring (as Duidoin but x2 healing IF the sacrifice is a goodly priest); or building up from ‘consuming’ ranks of undead… 1/hr may destroy an undead that is under own control by touch, with the effect of feeding off the ‘wash’ of undead… is healed X/Y per loc per rank of undead so destroyed. And if a named (special) undead cannot resummon it for a month.

Have some fun. It shouldn’t be easy. Nor should it be impossible. And sacrificing a class slot to 8th, a path, or L7/8 MR all seem a reasonable start point if Vampiric Causing is unavailable.
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post Jan 26 2023, 12:34 PM
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Christine had a miracle of empathic healing undead as Liara. It was not very spirit/cost efficient from memory.

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Druidic Foul Feast for those that can eat?
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post Jan 26 2023, 02:07 PM
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I tried a bunch of stuff as my tree ghoul around letting my flesh knitting work on corporeal undead and similar concepts but it was all failed or far too expensive. Was 15+ years ago mind, so times may have changed, and conceptually a lot of that stuff feels reasonable.

And I never explored more as it all worked on me anyway and I could just druidic heal myself so unnecessary.

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post Jan 26 2023, 02:39 PM
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I had an ability for Cathbad where I could enhance a potion for 1EP, that also needed a curse, temp or normal, and it would allow a corporeal undead to benefit from it. Could buy it 10pts per use or @ will for 200 @ T#10.


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QUOTE(atem55 @ Jan 26 2023, 02:39 PM) *
I had an ability for Cathbad where I could enhance a potion for 1EP, that also needed a curse, temp or normal, and it would allow a corporeal undead to benefit from it. Could buy it 10pts per use or @ will for 200 @ T#10.


Did this work with natural brew? Absolutely banging if it did.
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I never actually bought it biggrin.gif It was when I was a I&E priest, and I had a few undead related bits passed then. I'm fairly sure it would have just been normal, unenhanced potions.


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post Feb 7 2023, 04:21 PM
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thanks guys,

some good bits.

so to make it clear im thinking of priest that can just heal undead and not living, like hospie but only fro undead.


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post Feb 7 2023, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(jasonprice @ Feb 7 2023, 04:21 PM) *
im thinking of priest that can just heal undead and not living, like hospie but only fro undead.



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Miracle list must include all the handbook necromancy miracles before buying this ability.
If & When takes a major sphere it must be necromancy
Published Causing tree/sphere miracles which are listed as effecting the undead no longer inflict harm (e.g Cause Minor to Cause Grievous, but not Suspend Life or TOD).
If cast upon an Undead they heal half their published / base damage instead.
If cast upon anything that's not Undead the miracle fails, but the spirits (and casting damage) are lost.
Soul's Hunger can not be used.

In the case of Characters with an Undead multirace, (or in other insteances of doubt) this applies to those who have "Immunity to Miracles which do not effect the Undead"
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