Unholy champion - Advanced Miracles Options

[063whii]

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone had any success with getting advanced miracles on an unholy champion (or similar) without leaving the warrior bracket? I'd like a few casts of Kneel Before the Master (because chase-scenes through the caves have been frustrating me of late) and from what I can gather, there's no one who makes evil spirit items to commission.

I'm considering just putting in for some innates of it, or adding it to my stairway; but don't want to bother if it's a system limit that one can't get advanced miracles without being in the priest bracket, or similar.

Cheers,
Anthony

[atem55]

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone had any success with getting advanced miracles on an unholy champion (or similar) without leaving the warrior bracket? I'd like a few casts of Kneel Before the Master (because chase-scenes through the caves have been frustrating me of late) and from what I can gather, there's no one who makes evil spirit items to commission.

I'm considering just putting in for some innates of it, or adding it to my stairway; but don't want to bother if it's a system limit that one can't get advanced miracles without being in the priest bracket, or similar.

Cheers,
Anthony

Standardly UC's can have advanced miracles on their stairway if they are on the Church's list, costing double the number of spirits, so I would think its doable. You are dominion based iirc? so fits with your character, maybe in a bespoke status for an innate 1/day and allow you to purchase more?

[Patch]

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone had any success with getting advanced miracles on an unholy champion (or similar) without leaving the warrior bracket? I'd like a few casts of Kneel Before the Master (because chase-scenes through the caves have been frustrating me of late) and from what I can gather, there's no one who makes evil spirit items to commission.

I'm considering just putting in for some innates of it, or adding it to my stairway; but don't want to bother if it's a system limit that one can't get advanced miracles without being in the priest bracket, or similar.

Cheers,
Anthony

I would consider commissions as my evil priest but only for causing I'm afraid. which I appreciate does not help.

As Carl says, a Status, or possibly a Class with a new bespoke stairway (that specifically states remains within the warrior bracket) I would generally opt for a class if you have the slots, they are more flexible than a status and can achieve a bit more, also an opportunity to squeeze in other advanced UC stuff that you might like the look of, though would probably cost more but could give you a more expanded set of post options.

Patch

[Helsvell]

You could also do it through a Warrior tradition. A suitably themed one, especially if it fits the church you have aligned to.

[Helsvell]

Or you could get an item from Jez (Duncan). It wouldn't even cost grulls.

[BBB]

As Carl says, a Status, or possibly a Class with a new bespoke stairway (that specifically states remains within the warrior bracket) I would generally opt for a class if you have the slots, they are more flexible than a status and can achieve a bit more, also an opportunity to squeeze in other advanced UC stuff that you might like the look of, though would probably cost more but could give you a more expanded set of post options.

Patch

I'm going to be the party pooper here and say jus writing an ability / MC that gives you stuff outside your bracket and tagging on "but I'm still bracket pure" isn't going to get you far without some sort of comparable replacement restriction.

Not saying it can't be done just that it's likely to cost more than just some points.

BBB

[RobDonnison]

My AP’s warrior tradition allows me to embody undead that I summon.

If you’ve not already used your tradition I would suggest trying that route. Not idea what else you could chuck in with it, but doesn’t seem unreasonable to add a discipline innate purely vs domination in there… You’re the dominator, not them.

Might be able to get a cheeky scorpion innate to tell a spiritual effect to hit another party member instead.

Rob

[MarkD]

Might be able to get a cheeky scorpion innate to tell a spiritual effect to hit another party member instead.
Rob

Or hit anyone else...

[Patch]

I'm going to be the party pooper here and say jus writing an ability / MC that gives you stuff outside your bracket and tagging on "but I'm still bracket pure" isn't going to get you far without some sort of comparable replacement restriction.

Not saying it can't be done just that it's likely to cost more than just some points.

BBB

As previously noted UC/AP can have advanced miracles on their stairway if its on the Guild list, and at increased cost.

It could therefore be possible to either acquire an advanced stairway that gives you innates of what on your guilds list, or switch out your guild list for your personal flavour of evil plotting planning and doing, and then acquire an advanced stairway with innates from that list.

In terms of remaining bracket pure, that's different from say satisfying battlemaster restrictions. UC's are Bracket Pure and can get some advanced stuff from a spiritual perspective. if your plan was battlemaster however you would need to think this through as it would be difficult to satisfy such restrictions and get more spiritual power... if you are Bracket Pure, because you want to by the armour based class however that has no restrictions on innates or power, and thus this could be workable... but I would strongly suggest maintaining a stairway mechanic and following established stairway rules. thus maintaining both the flavour of and restrictions incumbent on an UC.

Patch

[DavidFisher]

Get a MP item of bind...? Even Wall of stone works...

Much easier

David

[giles]

I'd keep it a bit simpler if all you are after is a few Kneel Before The Master innates:

Ground Beneath The Imperial Heel (or somesuch)
May not purchase Diversification - may instead buy 1 innate of Kneel Before The Master (standard innate cost) per Table.
(For the avoidance of doubt this does not count as leaving the bracket and I am still eligible to purchase Battlemaster as the innate is not above 5th Level) Cost: Table:

If you think you need a further restriction - May only be used on races that have been defeated by Imperial forces eg. Tribals, Silver Folk, Blauz, Ggrtuck, Duidoin - but may not be necessary (maybe put it in as option). Or maybe, is lost and points for innates are returned if ceases to be in an Imperial Legion.

cheers

Giles.

[063whii]

I'd keep it a bit simpler if all you are after is a few Kneel Before The Master innates:

Ground Beneath The Imperial Heel (or somesuch)
May not purchase Diversification - may instead buy 1 innate of Kneel Before The Master (standard innate cost) per Table.
(For the avoidance of doubt this does not count as leaving the bracket and I am still eligible to purchase Battlemaster as the innate is not above 5th Level) Cost: Table:

If you think you need a further restriction - May only be used on races that have been defeated by Imperial forces eg. Tribals, Silver Folk, Blauz, Ggrtuck, Duidoin - but may not be necessary (maybe put it in as option). Or maybe, is lost and points for innates are returned if ceases to be in an Imperial Legion.

cheers

Giles.

I suspect this is more along the lines of what I am after. Good thinking on not taking diversification; I think that's a good limit to put on it. I like the name as well!

Cheers everyone
Anthony