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Brucifer
Hi gang. Looking at battle Master there's o class, b class and e class. Anyone ever done an unarmed one and if so what pointers could you give. This would be for a post powerhouse winter elf barbarian monk (ner...coz that lot ain't enough). 😀

Cheers in advance.
darkrule233
I've got past (but haven't bought due to another multi-class) the same as 'O' class.
Expect my Unarmed combat goes through Pac and Dac.

600 points in total.

Callum
DavidFisher
QUOTE(Brucifer @ Nov 30 2015, 03:17 PM) *
Hi gang. Looking at battle Master there's o class, b class and e class. Anyone ever done an unarmed one and if so what pointers could you give. This would be for a post powerhouse winter elf barbarian monk (ner...coz that lot ain't enough). 😀

Cheers in advance.


Could you not apply "e" class and modify the enhanced distancing so it applies when using unarmed?
David
darkrule233
QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Nov 30 2015, 07:18 PM) *
Could you not apply "e" class and modify the enhanced distancing so it applies when using unarmed?
David

I didn't manage to get this passed unfortunately :'(
Although, I did apply for mine post 6th - ...
Maybe you could try that way.

Callum
daork
QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Nov 30 2015, 07:18 PM) *
Could you not apply "e" class and modify the enhanced distancing so it applies when using unarmed?
David


I know people have got reverse distancing with unarmed fairly easily. Not sure on Lee's stance on it though
fatteacher
QUOTE(daork @ Dec 1 2015, 08:12 AM) *
I know people have got reverse distancing with unarmed fairly easily. Not sure on Lee's stance on it though

Isn't that idea just the basis of forearm parry etc?
Brucifer
Reverse distancing? Splain plix.
gormaden
QUOTE(Brucifer @ Dec 1 2015, 08:26 AM) *
Reverse distancing? Splain plix.

Distancing combat is using a large weapon to keep blows at bay which translate as -x number of damage.
So reverse distancing = reducing damage by using a small weapon - think Sai or sword breaker (pics below)
Where as forearm parry negates damage completely.



Nibs
QUOTE(gormaden @ Dec 1 2015, 08:41 AM) *
Distancing combat is using a large weapon to keep blows at bay which translate as -x number of damage.
So reverse distancing = reducing damage by using a small weapon - think Sai or sword breaker (pics below)
Where as forearm parry negates damage completely.



The logic behind it is that you step inside their reach so they can't swing at you properly, so -x damage
Leo
It might not be as far away as you thought. I don't know if you've heard but battlemaster isn't on table 10 any more http://www.labyrinthe.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=21977


That said, Unarmed as a whole is a bit naff. Nobody wants to monster against the unarmed guy whose primary ability is to not react to getting hit as they stand inside the monster's arc and overbear them with a stream of qua-qua-qu-q-q swung piston-like, like you're doing a speed metal pat-a-cake solo, so I've come up with an ability to make an unarmed character not be the subject of such derision.

"Good at punching"
I am so good at punching that I am more than a match for anyone using a weapon.
I may phys-rep my enhanced reach and parrying capability by fighting with a bastard sword.
Harrumph
yeah agree with leo, unarmed is always a little but rubbish, it always feels drumrolled, or there's a worry about getting hit too hard

i always had aps failed by phil that were damage reductions against b class due to being inside their reach, his reasoning was that b class is bad enough anyway so to make it less effective was not a good idea

which i can understand
Brucifer
Sorry Leo and harrumph but wing chun chain punches are just that.
Brucifer
But to everyone else thanks for the clarification.
gormaden
QUOTE(Brucifer @ Dec 1 2015, 12:39 PM) *
Sorry Leo and harrumph but wing chun chain punches are just that.

not to turn this into a martial arts debate - but I hated Wing Chun - chain punching, folding ... meh.
Give me jujitsu / karate anytime. Just a personal choice and unarmed martials art don't translate well into Laby.
Brucifer
Well I like it so ner. Lol. Like I said just wanted to clarify coupla things which hav now been erm clarified. 😀
AndrewBucknell
the old skool damage reduction was called "crowding" which had the additional benefit of reducing the opponents distancing!!

Andrew
StuartEaston
QUOTE(Brucifer @ Dec 1 2015, 12:39 PM) *
Sorry Leo and harrumph but wing chun chain punches are just that.


Are people going to appreciate being chain punched whilst they're monstering though. Not saying that you would be unsafe as its easy to do safely but its not going to encourage good fighting from the monsters once they realise your technique is step in and chain punch to the chest. Of course this may well not be your only tactic, but I still feel like unarmed fighting is at a considerable disadvantage in LARP, especially in a high fantasy system.

This kind of fighting also doesn't transfer seamlessly to larp because real world systems are designed for people who react to blows and would be stopped by these attacks. That being said I would love to see if it worked at labyrinth, just not convinced it would myself.

The things I would think of, and this wouldn't even need to be in a battle master multiclass is to get lots of physical strikes that do effects, that way reducing the amount of drum rolling you need to do and incapacitating monsters in a more cinematic way. So things like building up flick of the wrist to include blindness strikes, better stunning blows, leg sweeps. Reducing their "cooldown", getting some extra one use innates, maybe look at neuronics for effects to replicate. and physical greater cudgel style innates where you can do certain abilities at will for 5 minutes. Of course these things only help you against F&B targets.

Stuart
Brucifer
Appreciating your comments about fx. It unless you e fought me you don't know anything. In the past I know certain monks just chained into the chest until death. I try hard to make it much more cinematic. Now please let's drop this. Only just come back to the caves and I won't tolerate ppl judging me without actually fighting me. I'm keen to open up for kicks and locks but safety and rules will not allow. Ask hatchy and jack nihil if I'm [----] at unarmed.
BBB
GSMs have pretty much always been against the "Close Quarters Combat" which is what Reverse Distancing was originally called when passed because of the tendency to encourage bad fighting styles.

Remember UAC combat is the only time we are allowed to use unpadded solid cored weapons...

Even with care its going to sting at the end of the day for a monster if he's been battered all day with UAC.

All of which reminds me of the comedic roleplay of Meltcuryn (The Ange of Strife) Teaching Torwin (High Priestess of Shaehan) proper Pure Spirit Claw combat technique "No Torwin, hack and slash, hack and slash"

BBB
Leo
QUOTE(Brucifer @ Dec 1 2015, 06:20 PM) *
Appreciating your comments about fx. It unless you e fought me you don't know anything. In the past I know certain monks just chained into the chest until death. I try hard to make it much more cinematic. Now please let's drop this. Only just come back to the caves and I won't tolerate ppl judging me without actually fighting me. I'm keen to open up for kicks and locks but safety and rules will not allow. Ask hatchy and jack nihil if I'm [----] at unarmed.


Nothing personal, just a moan at the existence of unarmed combat as an option.

On a more productive note, seeing as unarmed damage grades for a battlemaster weapon master monk are fairly easy to come by, but calling higher damage grades rarely makes the monsters pay more attention, perhaps a tradeoff like:

Fight smarter not harder:
Once per enemy per different damage grade, instead of calling a high damage grade I can instead call the following:
Quin: knockback
Six: knockdown
Seven: stunning blow
Eight: Grand Tan
GNW
Taking BBB's point about its the only time we are allowed to hit people without padded weapons I tried looking at alternatives. To cut a long story short you don't every want to type "foam rubber fists" into google it will takes you places you dont want to go!
Benson
I'm a +1 for hating unarmed as a player and a monster, sorry Bruce for sticking this comment on you app thread but I cant be assed to start a new 1 :0)

An occasional slap of the hand when you loose your weapon from a shatter or disarm or a freeze is fine, fighting someone all day is rubbish I may be proven wrong! That's just my humble experience though.

R

LauraSB
For once I would Like to join in here.

UAC is a really difficult thing to do, you lose reach, and when most of the players/monsters against you are taller than you than the best of times it makes it really difficult to do, so have fast blow is the main bonus of this. Actually getting into someone's weapon arc has rarely stopped my from being hit, so I mostly went for back attacks when skirmishing. I tried this style out as I figured people hit me on the back all the time even with a sword and shield character so I might as well get more than two blows in anyway.
I have done martial arts whilst as uni and it was Wing tsun, so Chain punching is what I learnt, and believe it or not I did do 'longer' blows as my monk than what I did for real punching, also other than the odd stay face shot I had very few complaints about my blows being pulled for a 9-day.

Points app wise, I basically focused on defence as my monk, but things like stunning blows and knock down are great idea to focus on, not big damage unless you want to have the proper build up dragon ball z time... which would be funny, but I dont know lee's feeling on that lol.
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