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Bruno
post Jul 20 2009, 08:31 PM
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As many of you reading this know, for years now the Church has been standing in opposition to schemes put into action even before the fall of the Dark One, by enemies both known and unknown.

Thanks to the successes of the Order of the Stars, one "arm" of this scheme was destroyed; thanks to others of the church banding together, a second "arm" was vanquished. Much has been made of these successes, and rightly so, as they were major achievements in doing that which the Lady would wish done - holding strong as a shield against the darkness and cleansing the ugly taint these schemes would bring to the world.

Everyone involved deserves high praise, and commendations.

That said, many will already be aware that these plans were only a part of a greater evil machination - indeed our success to date may even have been expected.

In clear and grave words, the Lady has spoken directly with me. It is certain that despite our good works, a shadow is rising in the Empire, that will soon be a match for the stars themselves, if not stopped. Already in Ishma, the shadows there are stronger and obscure the light.

This is not a time to rest on our laurels.

Our successes, and the lives spent to achieve them, mean nothing if ultimately the Enemy rises again, and all the Lady's wishes and the efforts of her faithful are undone.

If you can assist, do it. Not every follower of the Lady should take an adventurer's path - our skills and talents are many and varied and some are best suited to other good work. But contributing in whatever way you can is critical, now more than ever.

The Lady's work never was done by standing back to keep the faithful safe at the cost of other innocent lives. Lady Grace herself chose the greatest sacrifice she could, to claim the greatest victory. If our victory against the darkness costs us, so be it; if it costs the Lady, in anguish or in power, she would have it done nonetheless.

At times, it has seemed that the Order of the Stars and other members of the faithful who follow other codes have not felt that they are aligned as closely as others might expect. There is nothing wrong with this. The Lady has a place in her heart for every faithful follower, however they express their devotion, if they hold true to her beliefs. There is no reason that each one of us must like every other as a person! Humanity, and other peoples, have a great diversity that is vital to our very natures.

However, as I wrote here, I was thinking of a couple of specific points, as well as the general aspects. Some of my points were addressed to particular other members of the faithful who I felt needed to be reminded of certain issues; this is of no concern to the Order.

What is of import, is the Spark of Grace. I wrote to Gwyneth a week ago, but have had no response.

Some time ago, I understand that the Herald entrusted Gwyn with the Spark, and exhorted her to keep it safe, and also to allow it to experience life through her. This she has done admirably.

Time has moved on. As the High Priest of the church, I spoke directly with the Lady and she spoke the following to me:

The safety of the Spark is most likely to be achieved by keeping it in
seclusion as it is now.

If the Spark is not used, and simply remains safe, it cannot serve any purpose of benefit to the Lady, the church or the people of the land, beyond a simple symbol of something from the past.

There are a number of ways in which the Spark might be used; these include the forging of a weapon which could strike at the heart of darkness, other artifacts or rites which might aid the continued struggle such as by shielding or warding, or even in the attempted resurrection of Grace or the genesis of a new deity of light in some way.

If it is used in any of these ways, then it can open up new potential and new possibilities, and give greater options and chances to face the darkness and keep it at bay, or counter evil schemes now in progress. In doing so, more danger may befall it, but more good will then be able to come of it.
Its nature is not that of a thing which stays hidden and passive indefinitely - as this was not Grace's nature, nor Elbereth's.

That is all the Lady spoke to me directly.

At the time of writing, many of the Church have been working for months, steered by the Lady and in part by an angel come back to us from Grace's time, towards a rite and weapon to oppose the Shard of Morgoth which is in some way at the heart of the enemies' schemes. This rite would call upon the light that is the Spark of Grace.

It has never been the way of the Lady and her followers to stay safe at the cost of doing good. We cannot act as a shield against darkness, unless we act, and in choosing inaction we fail our faith.

I understood the choice Gwyn made initially, in continuing to support the guidance given her at the time of the Spark entering her. Time has moved on, and there was information that we have now been gifted which she did not know in the past. I have set it all out here.
In conscience, although for a long time now I have served as the high priest of the faith, I rarely seek to interfere in an interpretation of the Lady's tenets made by another.
But if nothing I have said here seems true or obvious to you, and it is truly believed that the preservation of the Spark's safety over and above the preservation of the many innocent lives which might yet be saved from the dark shadow looming above us, then it may be that as you read this you should question whether your personal beliefs allow you to remain within the Church.

I would welcome discourse on this. On many, many matters of the faith I am flexible and accept that others believe or understand things differently from me, as is only right. On matters when the Lady has spoken directly to me of a danger such as this, and of ways it may be stopped, I must act and expect the Church to act with me.
I expect that as by many, divinations have been informed which make clear that the decision of the disposition of the Spark is a 'mortal choice', and the bearer of the Spark can make it. This is so - I am simply making clear that in the High Priest's interpretation of the words of our Lady, one choice sits within the bounds of our faith and beliefs, and one seems otherwise to me.

In Starlight,

Basil

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Caroline
post Jul 21 2009, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Bruno @ Jul 20 2009, 09:31 PM) *
As many of you reading this know, for years now the Church has been standing in opposition to schemes put into action even before the fall of the Dark One, by enemies both known and unknown.

Thanks to the successes of the Order of the Stars, one "arm" of this scheme was destroyed; thanks to others of the church banding together, a second "arm" was vanquished. Much has been made of these successes, and rightly so, as they were major achievements in doing that which the Lady would wish done - holding strong as a shield against the darkness and cleansing the ugly taint these schemes would bring to the world.

Everyone involved deserves high praise, and commendations.

That said, many will already be aware that these plans were only a part of a greater evil machination - indeed our success to date may even have been expected.

In clear and grave words, the Lady has spoken directly with me. It is certain that despite our good works, a shadow is rising in the Empire, that will soon be a match for the stars themselves, if not stopped. Already in Ishma, the shadows there are stronger and obscure the light.

This is not a time to rest on our laurels.

Our successes, and the lives spent to achieve them, mean nothing if ultimately the Enemy rises again, and all the Lady's wishes and the efforts of her faithful are undone.

If you can assist, do it. Not every follower of the Lady should take an adventurer's path - our skills and talents are many and varied and some are best suited to other good work. But contributing in whatever way you can is critical, now more than ever.

The Lady's work never was done by standing back to keep the faithful safe at the cost of other innocent lives. Lady Grace herself chose the greatest sacrifice she could, to claim the greatest victory. If our victory against the darkness costs us, so be it; if it costs the Lady, in anguish or in power, she would have it done nonetheless.

At times, it has seemed that the Order of the Stars and other members of the faithful who follow other codes have not felt that they are aligned as closely as others might expect. There is nothing wrong with this. The Lady has a place in her heart for every faithful follower, however they express their devotion, if they hold true to her beliefs. There is no reason that each one of us must like every other as a person! Humanity, and other peoples, have a great diversity that is vital to our very natures.

However, as I wrote here, I was thinking of a couple of specific points, as well as the general aspects. Some of my points were addressed to particular other members of the faithful who I felt needed to be reminded of certain issues; this is of no concern to the Order.

What is of import, is the Spark of Grace. I wrote to Gwyneth a week ago, but have had no response.

Some time ago, I understand that the Herald entrusted Gwyn with the Spark, and exhorted her to keep it safe, and also to allow it to experience life through her. This she has done admirably.

Time has moved on. As the High Priest of the church, I spoke directly with the Lady and she spoke the following to me:

The safety of the Spark is most likely to be achieved by keeping it in
seclusion as it is now.

If the Spark is not used, and simply remains safe, it cannot serve any purpose of benefit to the Lady, the church or the people of the land, beyond a simple symbol of something from the past.

There are a number of ways in which the Spark might be used; these include the forging of a weapon which could strike at the heart of darkness, other artifacts or rites which might aid the continued struggle such as by shielding or warding, or even in the attempted resurrection of Grace or the genesis of a new deity of light in some way.

If it is used in any of these ways, then it can open up new potential and new possibilities, and give greater options and chances to face the darkness and keep it at bay, or counter evil schemes now in progress. In doing so, more danger may befall it, but more good will then be able to come of it.
Its nature is not that of a thing which stays hidden and passive indefinitely - as this was not Grace's nature, nor Elbereth's.

That is all the Lady spoke to me directly.

At the time of writing, many of the Church have been working for months, steered by the Lady and in part by an angel come back to us from Grace's time, towards a rite and weapon to oppose the Shard of Morgoth which is in some way at the heart of the enemies' schemes. This rite would call upon the light that is the Spark of Grace.

It has never been the way of the Lady and her followers to stay safe at the cost of doing good. We cannot act as a shield against darkness, unless we act, and in choosing inaction we fail our faith.

I understood the choice Gwyn made initially, in continuing to support the guidance given her at the time of the Spark entering her. Time has moved on, and there was information that we have now been gifted which she did not know in the past. I have set it all out here.
In conscience, although for a long time now I have served as the high priest of the faith, I rarely seek to interfere in an interpretation of the Lady's tenets made by another.
But if nothing I have said here seems true or obvious to you, and it is truly believed that the preservation of the Spark's safety over and above the preservation of the many innocent lives which might yet be saved from the dark shadow looming above us, then it may be that as you read this you should question whether your personal beliefs allow you to remain within the Church.

I would welcome discourse on this. On many, many matters of the faith I am flexible and accept that others believe or understand things differently from me, as is only right. On matters when the Lady has spoken directly to me of a danger such as this, and of ways it may be stopped, I must act and expect the Church to act with me.
I expect that as by many, divinations have been informed which make clear that the decision of the disposition of the Spark is a 'mortal choice', and the bearer of the Spark can make it. This is so - I am simply making clear that in the High Priest's interpretation of the words of our Lady, one choice sits within the bounds of our faith and beliefs, and one seems otherwise to me.

In Starlight,

Basil

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Caroline
post Jul 21 2009, 03:58 PM
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Basil,

I thankyou for your correspondance. I know I did not respond but untill as I have repeated said I had spoken to those in the Order who were orginally there and heard their words I did not feel I could make a decision.

The members of the Order who met on Sunsday did not feel happy with the Spark being used for this purpose.

Your current letter appears to suggest excommunication as a consequence for this.

If this is the case and the result is to rexcomunicate me then I will go and continue to follow the Lady with Love and devotion in a more private way. Please though allow members of the Order to follow their own heart and do not distance them from the Lady whom they have served so very faithfully and continue to do so.

Gwyneth

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Carlo
post Jul 21 2009, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Caroline @ Jul 21 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Basil,

I thankyou for your correspondance. I know I did not respond but untill as I have repeated said I had spoken to those in the Order who were orginally there and heard their words I did not feel I could make a decision.

The members of the Order who met on Sunsday did not feel happy with the Spark being used for this purpose.

Your current letter appears to suggest excommunication as a consequence for this.

If this is the case and the result is to rexcomunicate me then I will go and continue to follow the Lady with Love and devotion in a more private way. Please though allow members of the Order to follow their own heart and do not distance them from the Lady whom they have served so very faithfully and continue to do so.

Gwyneth

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Gwyneth,

I've not spoken on this, but, i feel i sorta need to.

I really understand it all, that you're responsable and all that, but the very act of you not lettin us have the Spark means that the Enemy is stronger.

Your choice, is making the evil stronger, and getting in the way of overall success.

I'm a part of the Order too, and, I cant believe they will all allow the Spark to be kept doing nothing.

Grace gave herself, of her own choice to destroy the Dark Lord right?

Now, surely, the Spark, which is her, would WANT to do the same as what it is a spark of?

Gwyneth, I t'ink you're amazing. I really do, brave, yet kind and noble, and consider you a good friend. I'm proud to be of the same faith as you, but I just wish you could understand.

Basil is our High Priest for a reason, he has wisdom and all that beyond us, and don't forget he gave his life too to lend his power to Elbereth and Grace to deafet Morgoth.

Reconsider, please?

Bradley
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post Jul 21 2009, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(Carlo @ Jul 21 2009, 05:04 PM) *
Gwyneth,

I've not spoken on this, but, i feel i sorta need to.

I really understand it all, that you're responsable and all that, but the very act of you not lettin us have the Spark means that the Enemy is stronger.

Your choice, is making the evil stronger, and getting in the way of overall success.

I'm a part of the Order too, and, I cant believe they will all allow the Spark to be kept doing nothing.

Grace gave herself, of her own choice to destroy the Dark Lord right?

Now, surely, the Spark, which is her, would WANT to do the same as what it is a spark of?

Gwyneth, I t'ink you're amazing. I really do, brave, yet kind and noble, and consider you a good friend. I'm proud to be of the same faith as you, but I just wish you could understand.

Basil is our High Priest for a reason, he has wisdom and all that beyond us, and don't forget he gave his life too to lend his power to Elbereth and Grace to deafet Morgoth.

Reconsider, please?

Bradley


Bradley,

I understand, I do and I understyand your feelings. I have however tried to follow the feelingsof those who were chosen by the Lady to make this decision. if it is as simple as you say the You would have been chosen or Basil and not me and those who were orginally chosen to protect and safeguard it.

I also feel if it were that straight forward the Spark would go of its own free will.

Gwyneth
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post Jul 21 2009, 04:40 PM
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What kind of "goodly" church gives a member a choice and then takes away all options but the one they want them to do?

Gwyneth follow your heart even if it leads you away from those you care about as long as you follow what you believe in - you will become stronger for it.

Yours in service,

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post Jul 21 2009, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(Jezz @ Jul 21 2009, 05:40 PM) *
What kind of "goodly" church gives a member a choice and then takes away all options but the one they want them to do?

Gwyneth follow your heart even if it leads you away from those you care about as long as you follow what you believe in - you will become stronger for it.

Yours in service,

Johan


It goes beyond the choice of one person Johan,

We are talkin about Morgoth. You know that big bad God who bought evil, darkness and ugliness into the world? you know who he is right?

The one who enslaved its own servants to do his will, and to destroy the light and bring darkness.

The one, who Great Legends of the Land all joined together to destroy, even those not of our faith, Hero's like Saladin, Harpell, and of course those of our own, Martin, Basil, Eldias, Mithaniel, Esseran, George, and others.

How can you be all so blind? You are ALL HELPING MORGOTH return. Can't you see this? You have the power to stop this. and you are choosing not to. That almost makes you as bad as the enemy.

We're going to try and stop it anyway. Even though we know we can't do it. And, we will all die trying, just because there is no such thing as an impossible fight, just like Falorn says. We're supposed to be one faith and you can't all even listen to your High Priest.

I'm sorry, I cannot be a part of this order anymore, I cannot be part of an order who would not stop such a great shadow to lurk over the world.

In Starlight always,

Bradley Baker

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post Jul 21 2009, 05:25 PM
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I understand your feelings about this Bradley and accept your resignation
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post Jul 21 2009, 06:04 PM
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To be clear - 3 or so years ago, you were asked to do something, and did it well. Time and events have since moved on. Things have changed, as has the Lady's need. This is not about what "feels comfortable", or nice. It is about struggling to avert disaster, and risking ourselves and the Lady's light to protect others.

Whatever you may think or feel about whether the Spark would 'suit' being a weapon, that is not the important consideration here.

My words certainly were not threats, and there is a world of difference between excommunication and leaving the church through agreement, due to differing beliefs. That is neither here nor there.

What is pertinent is, that I strongly believe that the choice you are making endangers thousands of lives, and possibly the future of our faith. For that reason, I am more than justified in intervening and giving you direction. You chose to join a church with a leader, and I am that leader.

I ask you now to reconsider, in light of what I've said. Not because you want to, or because you've been told to, or because you're afraid of what will happen if you don't - but because it is the right thing to do for anyone who cares about others, let alone a member of our church, who strive to protect the light and oppose darkness.
The choice is between doing what was important 3 years ago, and keeping the Spark safe and able to experience life while leaving all else to go to ruin, or acting on what is important now, and guiding that Spark to serve the Lady. Neither the Herald nor any other servant of the Lady instructed you "to hold the Spark safe forever regardless of the consequence to innocents and the faithful". You were left to use your judgement, and now is the time to apply it. As I outlined above, a weapon is not the only use in this struggle which the Spark could make possible - there are a number of others.

In Starlight,
Basil



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post Jul 21 2009, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(Jezz @ Jul 21 2009, 05:40 PM) *
What kind of "goodly" church gives a member a choice and then takes away all options but the one they want them to do?

Gwyneth follow your heart even if it leads you away from those you care about as long as you follow what you believe in - you will become stronger for it.

Yours in service,

Johan


Johan,

You are not a follower of The Lady. You are not even of light heart. Please be quiet.

Jerico.
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post Jul 22 2009, 01:49 PM
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Gywneth i will keep this short and to the point .

Further to our discussions on sunsday just gone , you have my complete support and backing on the course that we outlined.

If this means removing ourselves from the church then so be it.

The path we have chosen is a long one but our faith in the lady is strong , we shall prevail.

Heinrich battle-priest of Elbereth.


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post Jul 22 2009, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Heinrich @ Jul 22 2009, 02:49 PM) *
Gywneth i will keep this short and to the point .

Further to our discussions on sunsday just gone , you have my complete support and backing on the course that we outlined.

If this means removing ourselves from the church then so be it.

The path we have chosen is a long one but our faith in the lady is strong , we shall prevail.

Heinrich battle-priest of Elbereth.


But...

You're helping Morgoth come back.

If he comes back. It's your fault.

We are goin' to try and stop it. But, it's goin to be mighty tough, and people of faith will die trying. And, we don't mind, cos thats what we do... it just makes me real angry like knowin that the barrier in the way isnt a host of sinners I can go punch in the face, but my own faith.

But... you just don't get it. Your faith in the lady is strong? Clearly not, cos you are allowing that which she finds most disgustin, that which Lady Grace gave herself to destroy, you are allowin it the chance to return.

You are working against the Lady, Elbereth AND Grace.

I fear for your souls because you are all fallin into darkness by not helping.

I'll pray for you. But, I don't think it'll help.

When your souls fall to grey and then to dark I'm sorry for what I'll have to do.

Bradley Baker
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post Jul 22 2009, 02:37 PM
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I really do not want this to end up being about individuals - please try to resist personal attacks in any direction.

This decision is about belief - do you believe in the same aims that the Church do? Do you believe that the High Priest is speaking the truth, both in communicating the words of the Lady and in my own statements about our faith?

Or do you believe that there is something else more important in this case, which trumps what we have shared with you? Is there something specific you object to, or do not believe? Is it the precise concept of the Spark as a weapon? If so, can we discuss why this is a concern of such significance? Is it something else, if so what?

Simply standing obdurate and saying "no" is just not enough when it is a matter of this importance.

In Starlight,
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:14 PM
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I thank Johan and Heinrich for their supportive words and understand them as they meant them to be. Johan has saved many lives in the Order and has my respect for all the good he has done.

As you have asked Basil I will explain the Orders feelings and try again to explain why I have listened to them which such commitment.

I have asked the Order members who were there and those I could who were elected by her to look after the Spark to make the mortal decision as an Angel I am not mortal in the sense of humans and believe I am here to help them and not the other way around. The Lady chose them for a reason I am recognising her choice in them.

Two of the three Elves were there and they were so opposed to the Spark they knew of love and light to be used as a weapon they swore to prevent this at all costs. I have never heard such loving people speak with such fervrour.

Other Order members agreed that they were not happy with this. they felt that a weapon of such magnitude was unwise for any to have as others would seek it and try to use it for ill and terrible destruction. I know you would differ but as you can see Bradley you have changed your opinion of me drastically that you now accuse me of almost being the enemy itsellf. Should a weapon be used by people who are so quick to change and judge others. The Order said no. Should a Spark be used to make a weapon of destruction....The Order said no.

the Order did not see any reason to use the Spark to make Armour or a shield as although it would provide protection it will not destroy the Dark one and therefore would just encase the Spark into a cold item purely to make a powerful suit of armour or shield for the church...again the Order did not feel this was a fitting destiny for such a special being.

Time and again there have been opportunities to use the Spark and the Dark One has always sort ways of allowing information to bring the Spark closer to it so that it could destroy it. The idea of putting the Spark next to such a thing that craves it is not something the Order will agree to.

I do not expect you to understand but I have explained and have answered your questions.

The Order will continue to serve the Lady they love with such devotion no matter were it takes them or how ever lonely this path because. It is not easy to walk such a path but that is why we walk it.

Gwyneth
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:53 PM
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Gwyneth,

I will forgo the prose with which I would normally speak, I fear that the discussions here are failing to perhaps convey a few highly improtant divine truths in regards to the Spark.

The Spark is not Grace.
The Spark is one of the remnants this is true but it is not something that experiences or is able to experience as mortals or even those of the the Lady's Host do.
The Spark is for want of a better description a fragment of finite and permanent power.
The Spark can be called upon, melded, crafted, even used (though that is such an ugly word) in different ways.
One of those ways is in the crafting of a blade sufficient to battle, wound and defeat other divine powers, specifically The Enemy she gave her all to defeat.
The Spark once so weilded will not be trapped in such a form for ever.
The Spark endures, it simply *IS* no matter what form it takes be that within the living or the inanimate.
The Spark can be released from such a task and taken into another form.

I stood at the God Seal, I fought at our greatest victory in which we paid the highest of prices, many of those I love gave their lives willingly to the very core of their being to do what was right, what was needed and what our Lady lead us too. I was one of the few who did not fall but I remember their sacrifice and it haunts me to this day.

Martin and I fought our way through the faithful that had stood to defend that place for all time. We knew in that time and place if we had been charged by the Lady to stand and defend her hidden shrines of power and others of the faith came and told us the time to release them was upon us we would have stood as they did and denied such.

Thus we knew that reason could not see through for each believed each other infalliable and doing our Lady's divine will.

Again we seem to stand at the same mirror except now me know the reflection personally rather than just in the love of the Lady.

Now is the time for the images to become one and stand as a beacon upon the world of mortal men bathed in the light of the Starlit Host, do not let the mirror shatter for when it does the light will fade and then will the shadows rejoice.

I do not seek to take or diminish your faith, steal the honour you have been gifted, crush the vows you and those you trust have spoken. I am no Angel, no member of the host, I am but a bard by desire and a swordsman by deed.

All I can offer you is the truth of what I know, I can but give my life and those things I love and appreciate unto you so you can see the truth in my heart. Speak what it is you need, what deed can be done and I will do it, I will forgo the blade, teach only the art of defence at Yena O'Elen, remain silent and never sing, laugh or recite words of art again.

Share you soul with me and let us see the truth through both our eyes.

Mithaniel,
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post Jul 23 2009, 01:31 PM
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I thankyou Mithaniel for your calm words. If there was something else we could do we would.

I can see that you have excellent understand in regards to sparks and I am certain that many have information in books and scrolls that can tell more on this subject.

The practical aspects of carrying and being around it is quite different. Your describtion implies that it does not feel or experience. I know that it is happy at the moment and feels love. I have felt its forgiving nature in the past. Its whole purpose was to experience and this is different from the Sparks that you are describing.

You seem to imply it is a kind of tool. I am certain that it can be used as this be the Order again are not happy with this use for it.

Gwyneth
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post Jul 23 2009, 01:43 PM
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Greetings to all

This truly is a hard time for us all as we all seek to follow what we believe to be true in our hearts. I will keep this very brief. I am one of the Order and I feel nothing but genuine affection for every follower of the lady.

This difference of opinion cannot divide us. When we met on Saturday we honestly felt that using the Spark as a weapon was wrong. But i also see that this is not the only choice.

To use our high priests words .... 'the attempted resurrection of Grace or the genesis of a new deity of light in some way.'

Surely this is the compromise? Then is it not Grace's choice?

With love to you all

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post Jul 23 2009, 01:54 PM
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It’s not that complicated.

A number of people including the High Priest of the Lady of the Stars have spoken with Her. Basil has been told by the Lady that:

“If the Spark is not used, and simply remains safe, it cannot serve any purpose of benefit to the Lady, the church or the people of the land, beyond a simple symbol of something from the past.”

Gwyneth and others within the Order of the Stars have stated that she will be keeping it safe to experience life, love and joy, as she has been doing for some years now. I firmly believe that they would not have decided that without scrying or somehow communicating with the Spark, the Herald of Grace or the Lady in coming to that decision. They clearly honestly feel that they are right and those that think otherwise are somehow misguided.

I think it’s time to accept their decision, appreciate that no mortal can change their mind and deal with the consequences. As Falorn has said, we’re quite good at dealing with the impossible.

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post Jul 23 2009, 01:54 PM
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T' be 'onest, it seems pretty clear t'me

Either Basil is right, an' ya listen to 'im

Or Basil is wrong, and you challenge 'im for High Priest

Else, why 'av we got a high Priest for?

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post Jul 23 2009, 02:49 PM
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It disappoints me that you can be so misguided, so blinded by the task that was set that you fail to see what is going on outside your safe cocoon. This world is changing, the darkness is rising and we need, we must stand, fight and hold it back. I know I can't change your mind, I just hope you can live with the pain and the suffering your inaction will inflict on countless others; I hope your soul can live with the scars.

One day there will be peace, one day we will win forever, but it is not this day. Until then war must be brought on the darkness, on the crude and the evil, sacrifices will be made; I hope that without yours it will not be in vain.

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