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Posted by: MarkCox Sep 15 2010, 07:08 PM

Please use this thread to submit any updates you have for the Realm of Glass source book.
This can be pieces of IC / OOC knowledge, ideas, suggestions, updates etc etc

This is your opportunity to get your name in Print.

Many thanks

Mark Cox
GSM

Posted by: Jan Sep 15 2010, 07:12 PM

More Primal Physics! smile.gif

Posted by: Pants Sep 15 2010, 08:05 PM

Oh no! ;-)

Loads needs updating in this book. Where do we begin?

Posted by: Bruno Sep 15 2010, 08:07 PM

With dwarves!

Posted by: Jan Sep 15 2010, 08:31 PM

QUOTE(Pants @ Sep 15 2010, 09:05 PM) *
Loads needs updating in this book. Where do we begin?


By retaining the history, preserving events of the last 10 years and adding rather than replacing/rewriting. don't publish the current state of play, this might sound controversial in a sourcebook, but the current state of play is already present in the forums and in adventures. Just provide history. Stuff whicvh has happened, stuff which isnt going to change.

Jan

Posted by: BBB Sep 15 2010, 09:18 PM

QUOTE(Pants @ Sep 15 2010, 09:05 PM) *
Oh no! ;-)

Loads needs updating in this book. Where do we begin?


Looks at the BBB Archives...

BBB

Posted by: BBB Sep 15 2010, 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Jan @ Sep 15 2010, 09:31 PM) *
By retaining the history, preserving events of the last 10 years and adding rather than replacing/rewriting. don't publish the current state of play, this might sound controversial in a sourcebook, but the current state of play is already present in the forums and in adventures. Just provide history. Stuff whicvh has happened, stuff which isnt going to change.

Jan


Extending the Time Lines of stuff could be real cool.

A mix of Heroes and LRP events would be neat.

BBB

Posted by: StuartEaston Sep 15 2010, 10:01 PM

i'd like to see the historical timeline bit brought up to date with all the major events of the last ten years or however long added to it.

Posted by: LucyH Sep 16 2010, 08:19 AM

- Rewrite the city descriptions - not the history, but the current state stuff.

- More primal physics, just with a clearer "this is what you know Ic / OOC" split attached smile.gif

- something on the eth'Aderach & Lauiu for those of us who have forgotten.

- A glossary of IC terms.

- A better map

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 08:35 AM

QUOTE(Jan @ Sep 15 2010, 08:12 PM) *
More Primal Physics! smile.gif


Please no

Where is the quad in that?

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 08:38 AM

Imperial Legions
Details of The Thrice / Shedeff forests
Most up to date Elf stats
Night Soil
Rat Folk updates (or removal, which is my preference)
Bourthek

Posted by: miles Sep 16 2010, 08:48 AM

Murder of Michael I and other notable events should go in.

miles

Posted by: LucyH Sep 16 2010, 08:59 AM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 09:38 AM) *
Night Soil


Please... can we just pretend they don't exist?

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 09:04 AM

QUOTE(LucyH @ Sep 16 2010, 09:59 AM) *
Please... can we just pretend they don't exist?


Only if we do the same with Rat Folk

Posted by: LucyH Sep 16 2010, 09:18 AM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 10:04 AM) *
Only if we do the same with Rat Folk



Ratfolk are nothing like as bad as "oh no they're not really bad, just angst-filled and misunderstood" undead.
Undead should be guilt-free cannon fodder, not people.

Getting back on track,

Myron needs to be written/re-written, and Rob/Giles probably have some Oelhave stuff from the Laundry Myths.

Lucy

Posted by: MattJ Sep 16 2010, 10:34 AM

There are 2 things I'd like to see...

A bigger type face so that the miopic amongst us can actually read the book

and a Standardised format for the way classes are written out. It's weird to have to scan a page looking for Max AC when it should really be written in the same place every time.

Matt

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 11:19 AM

Mr Cox I can send you the template for the New Version of Realm of Glass that I've been sporadically working on should you wish.

It was however desigend as pure sourcebook (in a Divine Guidance style) and had none of the stat stuff.

It was also updated with the "Imperial Cultural" stuff garnered from articles Alan Morgan wrote for the Companion.

BBB

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 11:24 AM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 12:19 PM) *
It was also updated with the "Imperial Cultural" stuff garnered from aricles Alan Morgan wrote for the Companion.


But can we make it actually right? What we experience in LRP is whats right, not necessarily what goes in heroes

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 12:24 PM) *
But can we make it actually right? What we experience in LRP is whats right, not necessarily what goes in heroes


Define "right"? The cultural stuff is the stuff that provides back drop, which with all the CC work will become more and more entwined with how different parts of the Empire is viewed. The current stuff listed in the Realm of Glass is quite dated now, we've had ten years worth of dungeons set on Primus and 10 years worth of Heroes turns. All of which have contributed to bring things forward.

Once Refs use the CC facilities general settings for dungeons will quickly become more and more unified. For example it was really cool that three Bildteve dungeons I was involved in recently had near identical descriptions of the same location from three different referees. Normally you'd expect three totally different takes on the basic descriptions.

The cultural stuff is stuff about Imperial Structure, The Peons, The Noblility and so on (the kind of stuff in the Gameworld section here)

BBB

Posted by: Pants Sep 16 2010, 12:30 PM

Dans off again!

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 12:36 PM

QUOTE(Pants @ Sep 16 2010, 01:30 PM) *
Dans off again!


Nope

Just championing LRP over heroes

Posted by: LucyH Sep 16 2010, 12:43 PM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 12:19 PM) *
It was however desigend as pure sourcebook (in a Divine Guidance style) and had none of the stat stuff.


I like that idea - have a pure background book, and all the stats collected in one place in the same format. Stats get revised more often than background and it's a pain remembering where the current version of the different bits of rules text is.

It also allows for an annual /bi-annual stat update with things like the new character options from the Almanac, that dioesn't require a re-write of an entire book.

Lucy

Posted by: Pants Sep 16 2010, 12:44 PM

Yes Dan we know.

But with all the recent efforts I would have thought you would be a little less defensive. Hote fleshes out the background the cities, the politics and LRP shapes how those are seen in the world and reality.

Even more so we have our own system background and culture not stolen from other games or sources.

LRP does give cities background and flesh like the new Drowe stuff Stuart did. But so does HoTE. There is no difference between Stuart changing the Drowe on a set of dungeons and Alan changing PM through turns. It all adds and compliments each other.

Posted by: Stuart Sep 16 2010, 01:17 PM

QUOTE(miles @ Sep 16 2010, 09:48 AM) *
Murder of Michael I and other notable events should go in.

miles


Murderer tongue.gif

More history and current events, less stats. Please please keep all the interesting background stuff and timelines - it's a constant source of inspiration and information that helps flesh out backgrounds and link together adventures into a cohesive gameworld rather than a collection of pocket planes doing their own thing.

Stuart

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 01:37 PM

QUOTE(Pants @ Sep 16 2010, 01:44 PM) *
I would have thought you would be a little less defensive.


Never back down, never surrender

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 01:39 PM

QUOTE(LucyH @ Sep 16 2010, 01:43 PM) *
I like that idea - have a pure background book, and all the stats collected in one place in the same format. Stats get revised more often than background and it's a pain remembering where the current version of the different bits of rules text is.

It also allows for an annual /bi-annual stat update with things like the new character options from the Almanac, that dioesn't require a re-write of an entire book.

Lucy


Discussions some time ago came to the conclusion that it would be far better to split the stat stuff into their own books and have all the background stuff elsewhere. This seemed a good thing especially as I quickly realised that there really is a huge wealth of stuff out there and it would be jam packed.

Using the template I developed for recent publications Mark actually put together a book with the stat stuff decanted into that (A proto races book) I'm not sure what happened to it though. It certainly deserves publication at some point.

That said its about time Divine Guidance was updated - which can be done relatively easily. Church of Mortai and Church of Iron and Empire being obvious ones to get some updated entries and no doubt Elbereth could be expanded on into a book of its own now!

BBB

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 01:39 PM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 02:37 PM) *
Never back down, never surrender


I thought that was "Never give up, never surrender"... Ah the greatness that is Galaxy Quest...

BBB

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 01:41 PM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 02:39 PM) *
I thought that was "Never give up, never surrender"... Ah the greatness that is Galaxy Quest...

BBB


I wasn't quoting it, but now you mention it...

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 01:46 PM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 02:41 PM) *
I wasn't quoting it, but now you mention it...


Pure Awesomeness

BBB

PS ~ Time to plug the website for http://thecityofshadows.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=landmarks, its relatively constantly being added to. Hmm, now there is a city that could probably go to a whole sourcebook of its own for background...

Posted by: Christine Sep 16 2010, 04:22 PM

Can the noble statuses be re-written so that they no longer give out of date HOTE / SOTE benefits but something useful instead?

C


Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Christine @ Sep 16 2010, 05:22 PM) *
Can the noble statuses be re-written so that they no longer give out of date HOTE / SOTE benefits but something useful instead?

C


What? And run the risk that my Noble's Spend isn't (un)officially the worst spend ever?

BBB

Posted by: DanM Sep 16 2010, 04:37 PM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 05:35 PM) *
What? And run the risk that my Noble's Spend isn't (un)officially the worst spend ever?

BBB


You needed to be 1/2 Athfanal with a pts app to buy pasha status's... all of them...

Posted by: MarkCox Sep 16 2010, 06:21 PM

Indeed I did a few years ago seperate all the source material out and have a 'source book' and 'stats book' -
It got messy because there are some things that ought to go with the source material - eg Noble Status' etc

I have 'Races of the Empire' book - doesn't anyone else? ph34r.gif

I believe the plan was scuppered when I realised I dont have a Dominion of the Circle / Land of the Seven Winds Book in Word.
[If anyone does feel free to email them to me]

MCC

Posted by: Godseed Sep 16 2010, 06:52 PM

QUOTE(MarkCox @ Sep 16 2010, 07:21 PM) *
I believe the plan was scuppered when I realised I dont have a Dominion of the Circle / Land of the Seven Winds Book in Word.
[If anyone does feel free to email them to me]

If there genuinely is no source file around for either of these, I can OCR them for you (with the copyright holder's permission) - it'd only take an hour or so each. It'd cost you naught but a favour. ph34r.gif

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 07:28 PM

QUOTE(Godseed @ Sep 16 2010, 07:52 PM) *
If there genuinely is no source file around for either of these, I can OCR them for you (with the copyright holder's permission) - it'd only take an hour or so each. It'd cost you naught but a favour. ph34r.gif


Which would be somewhat easiser to handle than continuing to retype them.

BBB

Posted by: Godseed Sep 16 2010, 07:38 PM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 08:28 PM) *
Which would be somewhat easiser to handle than continuing to retype them.

Most definitely so...! Although someone would need to scan through and correct the occasional error.

I assume the copyright holder for DotC is Jan, since it says "© Mannerism" - there's no such explicit statement on LotSW, but I'm guessing the same? I'd prefer to get an explicit permission to do so, before going ahead...

Posted by: MarkCox Sep 16 2010, 08:21 PM

QUOTE(Christine @ Sep 16 2010, 05:22 PM) *
Can the noble statuses be re-written so that they no longer give out of date HOTE / SOTE benefits but something useful instead?

C



I'm happy to take suggestions - either here or via email -

Ideally i'd like the published cost to remain the same - so something that fits into those costs.


For what its worth I have checked through stuff I have a written races book - Primal Gatherins [probably a BBB title] it has Nightsoil, Angelkin, and Demonkin in it - all deleted now though sanity has returned - and i drink a lot less these days...


MCC

Posted by: MarkCox Sep 16 2010, 08:24 PM

Yeah - well I have that thing on my new shinney black box - but i'm wary as it was what was done to recover the old supplements and I spent an age uncoupling and changing the spelling mistakes that occured - hall-troll was my favourite - certainly set my brain thinking.


Posted by: Jan Sep 16 2010, 09:47 PM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 16 2010, 09:35 AM) *
Please no

Where is the quad in that?


I know i personally don't want to adventure in 'generic_fantasy_world_034', and I do want to feel that there is some logic as to why things are the way they are, other than just 'because'.

smile.gif

Posted by: BBB Sep 16 2010, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(MarkCox @ Sep 16 2010, 09:21 PM) *
I'm happy to take suggestions - either here or via email -

Ideally i'd like the published cost to remain the same - so something that fits into those costs.
For what its worth I have checked through stuff I have a written races book - Primal Gatherins [probably a BBB title] it has Nightsoil, Angelkin, and Demonkin in it - all deleted now though sanity has returned - and i drink a lot less these days...
MCC


Nope you came up with awful title wink.gif

BBB

Posted by: Jan Sep 16 2010, 09:53 PM

QUOTE(Godseed @ Sep 16 2010, 08:38 PM) *
Most definitely so...! Although someone would need to scan through and correct the occasional error.

I assume the copyright holder for DotC is Jan, since it says "© Mannerism" - there's no such explicit statement on LotSW, but I'm guessing the same? I'd prefer to get an explicit permission to do so, before going ahead...


Please don't scan my books. This can be sorted between MCC, CMT and myself.

Very pleased to see they are going for an update though! smile.gif

Posted by: giles Sep 16 2010, 10:19 PM

Well I'd like some more Primal Physics - Splinters, Divergences, Nettlewold
& I liked the whole nexi of significance from Jan's Xmas 3 day.

Happy to chuck some of the stuff Rob & I did re. Oelhave at you

Giles.

Posted by: Jan Sep 16 2010, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(BBB @ Sep 16 2010, 02:46 PM) *
Pure Awesomeness

BBB

PS ~ Time to plug the website for http://thecityofshadows.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=landmarks, its relatively constantly being added to. Hmm, now there is a city that could probably go to a whole sourcebook of its own for background...


The Region reports being compiled as part of the CC work will do something like this in due course, two versions, one is the ref one which is available at the moment on request by referees, the second being a player one which will be forum published.

Posted by: Jan Sep 16 2010, 10:25 PM

QUOTE(giles @ Sep 16 2010, 11:19 PM) *
Well I'd like some more Primal Physics - Splinters, Divergences, Nettlewold
& I liked the whole nexi of significance from Jan's Xmas 3 day.

Happy to chuck some of the stuff Rob & I did re. Oelhave at you

Giles.


Oelhave... that delightful combination of Danish and Swahili. I still remember the excitement as Lucy dropped off the vast number of english:foriegn dictionaries to me at the caves, and then the discussions with Alan as to how we were going to make up our own words for everthing using a creole of northern germanic languages, pig latin and swahili.

And they said it would never last the test of time! smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: giles Sep 16 2010, 10:34 PM

You haven't seen the script they wrote in smile.gif

Posted by: Jan Sep 16 2010, 10:48 PM

QUOTE(giles @ Sep 16 2010, 11:34 PM) *
You haven't seen the script they wrote in smile.gif


I can just see the conversation now...

Giles: "It's a dead language, it's supposed to look like that"
Rob: "But honestly - alphabetti spagetti? wheres the dignity?!"

Posted by: Godseed Sep 17 2010, 09:30 AM

QUOTE(Jan @ Sep 16 2010, 10:53 PM) *
Please don't scan my books. This can be sorted between MCC, CMT and myself.

No worries - just offering my services if they were needed, but glad they're not smile.gif

Posted by: TheFury Sep 17 2010, 01:36 PM

as to primal physics i'm sure Sam R can draw up theories for the Primal Sandwich, mustardnact and breadapeidal plans included.

Posted by: DanM Sep 17 2010, 01:53 PM

QUOTE(TheFury @ Sep 17 2010, 02:36 PM) *
as to primal physics i'm sure Sam R can draw up theories for the Primal Sandwich, mustardnact and breadapeidal plans included.


Well, he started with the sandwich theory, I claim credit for most of the rest. Including the filling, what the lettuce is and the difference between white and granary bread

Posted by: Jan Sep 17 2010, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(DanM @ Sep 17 2010, 02:53 PM) *
Well, he started with the sandwich theory, I claim credit for most of the rest. Including the filling, what the lettuce is and the difference between white and granary bread


Sounds fascinating smile.gif

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