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post Aug 7 2015, 11:38 AM
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Anyone had any luck sacrificing their returner as an AP for something else? i know a few people have "embody returner" type stuff, but as my AP is MC'd Assassin and MR'ing Shadow Daemon, and has Neutrality to Undead, an undead returner just does not really fit the character now.

So with that said, has anyone had much luck trading their returner for some other benefit? any suggestions?.

Character is a very pro imperial Scout type with a fondness of Undead (he wont summon them and will only fight them in self defense), scouty stabby type going Shadow Daemon for the sneaky enhancing stuff also.

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post Aug 7 2015, 11:47 AM
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A spirit of miracle seems reasonable - which sphere are you? If causing spirit of cause serious seems reasonable
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:02 PM
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Was thinking of ditching the returner all together Ryan, trading it in for some kinda benefit if possible? other option is to get Abashai as returner i guess as they are kinda a demonic spirit no?
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(SiDeards @ Aug 7 2015, 01:02 PM) *
Was thinking of ditching the returner all together Ryan, trading it in for some kinda benefit if possible? other option is to get Abashai as returner i guess as they are kinda a demonic spirit no?


Yeah scope to trading in I guess - it only happens when you die so to keep it cheap you are looking at something else associated with you 10% at a guess

You could maybe get a few freeze innates for chopping in the Wight or similar... My opinion is with Lee if the justification is good and you are willing to pay the points anything is possible
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:12 PM
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I think Si is more of the opinion that he is going demon and an undead Returner makes less sense.

He wants to ditch it anyway and maybe get something in return.

As Kei-Ry I have upgrade returner to Vampire and then Bonded Returner to give me Vampiric innates which I can use but means I no longer have the returner on death.

This is for Si's Iron & Empire AP.

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post Aug 7 2015, 12:21 PM
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Maybe the path to power then is an abishai returner then upgrade for a second embody abishai - if you use it you lose the returner?

Seems solid and fits the theme - 5 more minutes walk through walls for an assassin too and you have spirit damage in shadow demon for while spirit formed up
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Aug 7 2015, 01:21 PM) *
Maybe the path to power then is an abishai returner then upgrade for a second embody abishai - if you use it you lose the returner?

Seems solid and fits the theme - 5 more minutes walk through walls for an assassin too and you have spirit damage in shadow demon for while spirit formed up


Or get yourself an abashi returner, stick in some yellow paper to buy some more spirits for it and res yourself.
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Leo @ Aug 7 2015, 01:28 PM) *
Or get yourself an abashi returner, stick in some yellow paper to buy some more spirits for it and res yourself.


Like the sound of that Leo, will have to get thinking smile.gif
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post Aug 7 2015, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Leo @ Aug 7 2015, 01:28 PM) *
Or get yourself an abashi returner, stick in some yellow paper to buy some more spirits for it and res yourself.


Abishai get your churches list, right?
I+E doesn't have Animate life on it

I've also seen angelic returners with "cannot cast res" on them, so I'd keep that one quiet if it works out


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post Aug 7 2015, 01:43 PM
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As ive gone Shadow Daimon i was thinking from Embody Abishai i could upgrade it to some form of Embody Ancestral Shadow Daemon, and from there go to Bound Ancestor and use that as a platform for some form of Rez on death.
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post Aug 7 2015, 03:32 PM
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Or swap the ability to rebirth for an auto res?
Pact with a higher infernal demon that has your soul as the price?


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post Aug 7 2015, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(DanM @ Aug 7 2015, 04:32 PM) *
Or swap the ability to rebirth for an auto res?
Pact with a higher infernal demon that has your soul as the price?


Worst idea... Wait for it... Ever!
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post Aug 7 2015, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Aug 7 2015, 04:36 PM) *
Worst idea... Wait for it... Ever!


Depends if you really want an auto res


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post Aug 7 2015, 04:41 PM
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You might get a nifty dying effect instead of a returner instead of spirit of causing or an abishai

Many years ago (under Bruno) I traded my returner for my angmarian gythanki AP for a word of recall (the WOR could only be used when I slayered a soul and effectively hitched a ride on it as I sent it to Morgoth)

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post Aug 12 2015, 01:58 PM
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lo mate,

I traded my returner for,

my slayer takes all of my remaining cuasing innates.

but wasnt a dieing effect OOC god revenge ritual style. worked well almost killed alot of people.....

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post Aug 12 2015, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(jasonprice @ Aug 12 2015, 02:58 PM) *
lo mate,

I traded my returner for,

my slayer takes all of my remaining cuasing innates.

but wasnt a dieing effect OOC god revenge ritual style. worked well almost killed alot of people.....

jay


Ah, that was a funny day...


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post Aug 12 2015, 05:20 PM
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That was not a funny day, I permed lol.

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post Aug 12 2015, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(iainwimble @ Aug 12 2015, 06:20 PM) *
That was not a funny day, I permed lol.

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I refer you to my previous post wink.gif

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post Aug 12 2015, 06:06 PM
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