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Elferrick
post Jul 16 2015, 09:21 AM
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Has anyone managed to YP archer so that it's for H rather than MP. Didn't really want to make a non-standard when archer pretty much does the trick.

I have no bow and I'm already using throwing knives.


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post Jul 16 2015, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(Elferrick @ Jul 16 2015, 10:21 AM) *
Has anyone managed to YP archer so that it's for H rather than MP. Didn't really want to make a non-standard when archer pretty much does the trick.

I have no bow and I'm already using throwing knives.



It has been done a number of times over the years, but not for a while* afaik. It's a bit ridiculous if you ask me, as a bunch of little knives are a lot easier to carry around and far less hassle than a bow and arrows, as well as being quicker.


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post Jul 16 2015, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(Jasper @ Jul 16 2015, 10:31 AM) *
It has been done a number of times over the years, but not for a while* afaik. It's a bit ridiculous if you ask me, as a bunch of little knives are a lot easier to carry around and far less hassle than a bow and arrows, as well as being quicker.
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*like two or three GSMs ago


Agree on all points.

It also makes far less sense given the massive power differential between a bow and a thrown knife. I'd find it somewhat immersion-breaking even in a high-fantasy system.

If it was me I'd go for a lower max damage and more trick effects, and I'd be building it as a second or third string to a character's bow (ho ho) rather than the main point of the character.
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post Jul 16 2015, 09:47 AM
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Most GSMs have been heavily against it or for good reason.

When passed its usually been fairly restrictive.

Basically you are not going to get no max damage for throwing daggers.

There is a lot if real world skill involved with a bow (as any who have seen me with one will attest to...)

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post Jul 16 2015, 10:29 AM
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I agree with the above comments, it's much easier to throw knives than use a bow, also easier to carry and you can have lots of them. A knife thrower with Archer abilities could in theory render a frontline fairly useless other than as a shield wall. Imagine a ton of knives coming over a shield wall! I would imagine Lee would put some restrictions in to stop it from being too powerful.

I do think a knife throwing character is cool by the way and I do like the idea of it, I just think it could be a bit much with archer abilities.


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post Jul 16 2015, 10:52 AM
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I like the 'trick shot' idea though.




Every suit of armour has a weak spot - all daggers are 'through' > all daggers are 'pure'

The walls of Jericho - able to find the weak spot in walls and bring them down with a single dagger

explosive daggers - works like cache

boomerang daggers - monsters have to give them back

poisoned hilt daggers - anyone who picks up a thrown dagger (to hilariously lob it back at you) takes a BV 6 from poison on the hilt (you have built up an immunity to 'Hilt Venom')

All in the reflexes - missile weapons shot or thrown at you can be deflected (you still take damage from arrows/bolts as per stoneskin)

cause fear - by lobbing a dagger at the feet of a monster you make them jump back and they are stunned for 10 seconds

reverse distancing - you get a damage points reduction when fighting anyone who is using something longer than a dagger as long as you are using a dagger (you fight inside their reach)



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post Jul 16 2015, 11:00 AM
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All very fair points. Was not looking for a power play but rather hopped to to have a cheap first multi class. I'd be happy with loosing the no max damage. But had hoped for accuracy or something similar given that you had put a lot of practice in.

Currently can't find my warriors book so I'm a bit stumped anyway.


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post Jul 16 2015, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(Hulud @ Jul 16 2015, 11:52 AM) *
reverse distancing - you get a damage points reduction when fighting anyone who is using something longer than a dagger as long as you are using a dagger (you fight inside their reach)


No, it just leads to silliness and either just looks plain bad or looks infeasible... Even in the fantasy epitome of action films knife fighting is rarely used because it rarely looks any good (I can only think of two instances its looked impressive).

I think "Close Quarters Combat" was only been passed once and that in the dim and distant past.

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:42 AM
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Without downing people's ideas the one thing that gets me with these characters is monsters resorting to picking them up and throwing them back - suddenly triples are being rained on the party wizard because someone failed to kill a monster with his 17 thrown knives... Always find it break down to a base level of 8 kids having a snow ball fight...

I find the genuine niche of thrown daggers the effects that could be delivered, blade venoms like paralysis or a rune priest delivering mania and the like to people with a simple app... Much more interesting I think than throwing 20 knives per encounter that don't seem to do much and then holding things up because you couldn't find ten of them in a dark cave and 4 people have stopped to help you find them

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post Jul 16 2015, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Jul 16 2015, 12:42 PM) *
Without downing people's ideas the one thing that gets me with these characters is monsters resorting to picking them up and throwing them back - suddenly triples are being rained on the party wizard because someone failed to kill a monster with his 17 thrown knives... Always find it break down to a base level of 8 kids having a snow ball fight...

I find the genuine niche of thrown daggers the effects that could be delivered, blade venoms like paralysis or a rune priest delivering mania and the like to people with a simple app... Much more interesting I think than throwing 20 knives per encounter that don't seem to do much and then holding things up because you couldn't find ten of them in a dark cave and 4 people have stopped to help you find them

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Completely agree with you on that one runed up daggers FTW wink.gif


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post Jul 16 2015, 11:47 AM
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I really like the trick shots idea, it's characterful.


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post Jul 16 2015, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(Hulud @ Jul 16 2015, 11:52 AM) *
All in the reflexes - missile weapons shot or thrown at you can be deflected (you still take damage from arrows/bolts as per stoneskin)


+2 call-out points for the Big Trouble in Little China reference. Nice one.

"The Ol' Jack Burton technique" - If you are juiced up on a Hyper-Action potion and real-world catch an H-class weapon thrown at you you gain +5 damage grades and no max damage with than weapon against the thrower on the next throw within 2 seconds.

I may not be entirely serious here.

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cause fear - by lobbing a dagger at the feet of a monster you make them jump back and they are stunned for 10 seconds


+1 cryptic point for an ability called "cause fear" that doesn't have a fear effect...
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post Jul 16 2015, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(BBB @ Jul 16 2015, 12:03 PM) *
No, it just leads to silliness and either just looks plain bad or looks infeasible... Even in the fantasy epitome of action films knife fighting is rarely used because it rarely looks any good (I can only think of two instances its looked impressive).


Not disagreeing, but since you mentioned films I can think of four

Gangs of New York
The Hunted
Commando (although not much actual knife-work - more the weaponisation of pipes, furnace doors, bizarrely-exposed electrical grids and a very bad moustache)
Eastern Promises (although one-sided)

Any others that were really cool?
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post Jul 16 2015, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(Estarriol @ Jul 16 2015, 01:19 PM) *
Commando (although not much actual knife-work - more the weaponisation of pipes, furnace doors, bizarrely-exposed electrical grids and a very bad moustache)

Any others that were really cool?

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post Jul 16 2015, 12:56 PM
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I think Kill Bill also has a good girl on girl knife fight.


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post Jul 16 2015, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(Trickyz @ Jul 16 2015, 01:56 PM) *
I think Kill Bill also has a good girl on girl knife fight.


Please turn 'girl on girl knife fight' into a Multiclass.



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post Jul 16 2015, 01:13 PM
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I saw a pretty good knife fight at a bus stop a couple of years ago, does that count?


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post Jul 16 2015, 01:24 PM
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I still have the scar from a very [----] one if it helps.


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post Jul 16 2015, 03:30 PM
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I did not think it was that common but I have a few rubbish knife scars from a couple of attempted muggings and working on the door. Thankfully nothing too serious.


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Few I've had in the past:

Pod shot- knock back, down and and fleeting spasm.
Pinning shot- 10 second bind to a limb in contact with a 'surface'
Shield pin- limb stun to the arm if hit a shield (probably not so relevant for a knife than bow)



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