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Posted by: MarkCox Nov 19 2010, 03:00 PM

Please use this thread to ask the GSM a question!
This is for general questions rather than specific character stuff.


Posted by: EdBush Jan 20 2011, 08:10 PM

Is points spend an OOC decision?
Specifically, can Sheahan priests get away with 'Avenging Spirit'ing someone.... ?

{{Points spend can be OOC or IC - its up to the player. A sheahan priest is quite at liberty to buy an avenging spirit, but the first time they die and their killer doesnt have a resistance, they get excommunicated.... Phil.}}

Posted by: DanM Jan 21 2011, 10:46 AM


If a PC undead is dismissed, are there any reasons why this would be anything other than an ordinary death?
I presume, that if they had some way of being restored to life, this would work?

{{no... just an ordinary death. If they had some way to be ressed, it would work fine. Phil.}}

Posted by: Craigus17 Feb 11 2011, 01:13 PM

In the description for archers it states that weapon mastery 'bow' counts for all types of bows (shortbow, longbow, crossbow etc). Is this also the case if an archer were to buy other abilities based on weapon type - e.g. Trusty Old Bow, Counter Mastery Bow, Weapon Master Bow etc.

[[[Yes, for Archers, as the Xbow Rule is an an OOC mechanic to do with the Caves location - common sense - it doesn't work for things like +1WM XBOW- may not use a Bow]]]

Posted by: Godseed Feb 16 2011, 11:54 AM

If I multi-class from one neuronic class to another (e.g. from Mystic to Seer) do the allowances for buying innates stack, or do I just use the higher one?

Secondly - neuronic meditation says that it allows you to regain "1st-8th standard class neuronics". Does that include 1st-8th neuronics of a 2nd class, if it's still a standard class (so e.g. a mystic M/C seer can meditate to regain Clairvoyance innates)?

{{Innate allowances dont stack - you use the highest allowance. Neuronic med allows you to regain standard 1-8th innates - if you gain innates from several standard classes (mystic/seer) then you may med back innates of your second class... Phil.}}

Posted by: graham1980 Apr 12 2011, 08:42 PM

Hi there i think i have spotted a typo in elf rogue life in at the sharp end. level 7 life is 34/14 and level 8 is 39/15. i think judging from the life scale progression the life is supposed to be 37/14

{{yes, its a typo. Should be (as you correctly surmise) 37/14. Phil.}}

Posted by: Jan Apr 30 2011, 06:44 PM

Does the seers ability of visionary apply to precognition?

[[[Yep - giant thumbs up/down are common - all at refs discretion ofcourse, gets more complex where 1 word answers are recieved - MCC]]]

Posted by: Christine Oct 21 2011, 08:03 PM

Ishmaic Rainfinders can only use offensive magic versus supernatural creatures or in purest self defence.

Do Athfanel count as supernatural creatures for this purpose? Seems mad that they wouldn't, as waiting for the things that all hate you to hit you first as an unarmed wizard / druid is a bit crazy, but thought I would check.


[[[ yep - you can attack athfanel -MCC]]]

Posted by: Rob Nov 14 2011, 02:00 PM

Similar stacking question

Does neuro mastery fire stack with tables half effect fire?

[[yes - MCC]]]

Does the tables warlock ability (T9 I think) that gives 1/2 effect own element stack with the standard tables half effect?

[[[yes - MCC]]]

Enquiring minds need to know

For the record I think the answer to both is yes but I could not tell you why!

Posted by: Jan Dec 26 2011, 04:47 PM

Does DAC from your published base race stack with DAC from your published base class?

[[yes - eg Goblins / Alfar etc MCC]]

Posted by: DanM Dec 29 2011, 03:32 PM

If an ability that has been bought, is subsequently changed, are you entitled to respend the points?

[[that depends on lots of things - but generally yes, however typically this can have a knock on effect to lots of other abilities / entire spends etc. Other things to bare in mind are things like when the ability was bought [[people have deliberately abused timings]] / use of it - whether its a in-game change, ooc change, system change, opinion change etc - eg why the change was made [and who made the change /why] for all these reasons you'll need to contact the gsm about specifics MCC]]

Posted by: Demaios Feb 17 2012, 08:32 AM

Does True believer count as having a 6th level innate for the purposes of battlemaster and does it count towards the total healcap?

{{no - but you cant use it for 6th lvl innates if you have that restriction (effectively, becomes capped at your restriction level limit) and yes. Phil.}}

Posted by: Stuart Feb 21 2012, 10:57 AM

I presume that total heal capping applies to all innates that can be used as total heal, cure crit, wound staunch and healing hand? So if I have an ability to turn innate resses into any miracle on my list of 6th level or below, I still can't sidestep the total heal cap using True Believers & resses as innates of capped miracles?


[[indeed you can't avoid the rule via that method, you can ofcourse cast from scrolls, and power. - as an example I have a character with 10innate True Believers however my cap is only 5 - thus I can only use 5 of those innates on Total Heal MCC]]

Posted by: DanM Feb 27 2012, 08:27 AM

Are shield self and shield other, seperate and different spells with regards to stacking the MAC?

[[[Corrected. MCC ]]]

{{sorry, but they really dont. TBH, I never would have thought they did... Whilst they may, literally, be different glyphs (and therefore it could be argues that the should stack) common sense says they really are two versions of the same spell - and thus, wont stack with each other - it is similar to , say, a fire elf affirm and a dark elf affirm, which obviously dont stack without a specific points app/ability saying they do. Phil.}}

Posted by: Strife Mar 5 2012, 12:03 PM

Does the Shadow Daimon multirace count as being "innately magical" for the purposes of buying the third wind?

[[yep - MCC]]

Posted by: iainwimble Mar 19 2012, 02:40 PM

The Spell Pact With The Dragon/Drake for Sorcery, if they choose the Ivory Drake do they suffer the Restrictions that Ivory Draves have ?.

I was thinking No as it is just a spell that gives them Ivory Drave Innates.


{{yes, he does - 1st level of an ivory drave's innates give the ivory code restriction... whn you cast the pact, you gain the code. Phil.}}

Posted by: Strife Jun 15 2012, 12:22 PM

Does Consume Primal Vitae heal undead? What about those who are immune to f&b?

I feel like it should do, but I wanted to double check as its kind of a unique ability.

{{yup - is an odd one.. CPV will heal an undead (assuming the undead is the user of the CPV) and the user may be immune to F&B and still benefit - although the target must be affected by F&B and not immune to disease as per the book. Phil.}}

Posted by: Strife Jun 28 2012, 09:17 AM

When casting stackable glyphs can you mix innates and power? For example, in a 3 rune stack, casting the first two runes with power and a third from an innate.

{{broadly - yes. There may be non-standard cases where that might be no - but in general innates/raw power can be mixed for stacking runes. }}

Also, if you have expertise in a stackable glyph that effects a higher level, does this apply to an innate too?

{{again, broadly yes. Same as above with non standards. }}

Sorry if this is already covered, couldn't find anything definitive.

{{no worries smile.gif Phil.}}

Posted by: Lilley Jul 17 2012, 07:14 PM

QUOTE(Strife @ Jun 28 2012, 10:17 AM) *
When casting stackable glyphs can you mix innates and power? For example, in a 3 rune stack, casting the first two runes with power and a third from an innate.

{{broadly - yes. There may be non-standard cases where that might be no - but in general innates/raw power can be mixed for stacking runes. }}

Is this the case with elven innates and wizards adding extra runes with mana? e.g. a twilight elf grey wizard using a racial silence 8 lvls then adding mana to make it higher lvl of effect?



{{if the innates are 'a rune of silence' that the character has multiple innates of - either racially or via class - then they can probably be added to with mana. If they are a single innate (of, say, silence 8lvls as per twilight elf) then no. Phil.}}

Posted by: miles Jul 31 2012, 11:32 AM

Farfolk awakener,

If they buy the increased potion allowance from the tables do they only get 6pt as a normal neuronist or do they +1 potion as per there restrictions

Also the same question with increased potion allowance from Adept multiclass



{{increased limits apply as per their specific restrictions.. Phil. }}

Posted by: DavidFisher Sep 10 2012, 02:35 PM

If you hand a player a bottle of IV Death and tell them it is a draft of healing potions and they drink it, are you outlawed if they die?

(I immediately thought "yes" but then decided "no" as you are not killing them, any more than if you handed them a sword and told them it was a healing draft and they should swallow it... plus the rules seem pretty clear - only direct killing gets you outlawed - I think)



{{yes, you would be. Phil}}

Posted by: Ryan Oct 1 2012, 07:18 PM

The Major Dominion Ability Self Mastery - Was thinking of buying it then realised as written I would not be able to cast any Beneficial Self affecting Dominion Miracles (Curse, Cloak of Fear, Cloak of Beguilement etc.).

Should this read non-beneficial Dominion Sphere Miracles or is it just a terrible ability?

[[Its badly written - the original intention would of been non-beneficial tree and sphere MCC]]

Posted by: Jasper Oct 9 2012, 03:16 PM

Friday Mantics Question:
(in my shift pattern, this is Friday)

Am I right in saying that a mantic requires a mantic counter, irrespective of what sort of hits the target has?

[for example a manaformed elf with a passive dispel 20 is still turned to dust by a mantic annihilation as it needs mantic dispel to stop it but an affect someone in manaform. Ditto a spirit formed priest with pure force]


{{yes - would require a passive mantic dispel. Phil.}}

Posted by: Jasper Nov 13 2012, 02:34 PM

Asked this a while back but I think it got missed:

Does a guild leader have the power, without special sanction, to chuck someone out of his guild and/or change the ethos/restrictions/requirements?

{{broadly, yes. Rule 7 should always be applied... Phil.}}

Posted by: Leo Nov 19 2012, 03:53 PM

Does expertise apply to the cost to buy magical innates?

{{not standardly}}

Does expertise apply to innates, such as the free extra rune of sleep.

{{yes, for that one specifically - and the other rune based experteese abilities}}

Do magical innates count towards expertise casting cost. For instance, can I cast an innate fireblast, then enjoy the reduced casting cost on subsequent castings with mana?

{{yes. Phil.}}

Posted by: Leo Apr 9 2013, 08:44 AM

If I'm a priest and I've somehow picked up flat of the blade, can I use sharp weapons so long as I do blunt damage?

It's just that last night I dreamed I was reffing and one of the players was a priest using the blunt side of an axe and insisting that it should still do double damage against trees.

{{don't eat cheese just before bed?? smile.gif. Phil. }}

Posted by: Onasuma Aug 4 2013, 10:14 PM

Can you use a discipline innate on a control undead?

Peter Long

{{yes. Phil.}}

Posted by: Nibs Jan 7 2014, 12:47 PM

More ward pactey stuff:

Encounter 1: zombies + wraith

Can I kill the zombies then ward pact the wraith once all the zombies are dead?


Encounter 2: wraiths + 10th level unknown

Can I declare my ward pact vs undead then lay into the 10th level unknown as it is too high to be effected by the ward pact

{{no - you would loose your ward pact... Unless the lvl 10 attacked you first (purest self defence)}}

Encounter 3: lots of ghouls

Can I ward pact them at all having just spent the previous 2 encounters killing other undead


Encounter 4: 1 x wight

Low on life I start the fight but half way through can I declare my ward pact and the wight stops hitting me?

{{yes - although the wight could carry on hitting you whilst you were declaring your pact.}}

Is there any penalty for fighting creatures that you have a ward pact against but haven't actually declared it to those present?

{{no - unless it is a non-standard ward pact with that specific commentary on it... Phil.}}

Posted by: ElliotJ Jan 8 2014, 04:50 PM

If a seasonal elf buys double innates, is the amount of regeneration from Sun's Healing doubled?

Elliot Jones

{{yes. Phil.}}

Posted by: DaveR Feb 24 2014, 11:54 PM

Does "any miracle of own alignment" in Elder Fey prohibit an Evil Character choosing a Neutral miracle ?

or is it like utilise spirit item - whereby a NE character can use a Neutral or an Evil one ....


{{in this case, it means own alignment... so evil characters can choose an evil miracle. Phil.}}

Posted by: marwoodbramwell Mar 15 2014, 03:00 PM

With regards basic Determination, it will still cost you 6 TBLP even if you hold a relevant immunity.

Where does this lay in relation to spiritless against a basic spiritual halt or ghoul paralysis? Does the spiritless state negate the effect, or does the determination apply 1st?

Does it follow a general priority rule such as Race, then class, then tables?

{{the user of determination needs to be affected by the powerbase - so an elf wouldnt take determination damage from a spiritual paralysis. Phil.}}

Posted by: Rannock May 20 2014, 12:28 PM

QUOTE(Rannock @ Mar 31 2014, 01:48 AM) *
The Warrior of nature ability listed as the post 6th defender of nature ability says that a druid may buy as warrior subclass up to three tables below their current table, while if bought by a forest guardian they may buy as warrior subclass up to own table and warrior up to three tables below their current table.

Does this mean that a druid that multiclasses forest guardian and then multiclasses defender of nature can benefit from the forest guardian version of this ability, or do they only receive the druid benefit? Just wondering as it doesn't list these as a first class ability.

{{yes - in this speciifc case, they would benefit as a FG - but this shouldnt be used to extrapolate to other examples... Phil.}}

In which case, would this work the same way if a Warrior Priest (or similar) multiclasses Spirit Warrior, multiclasses Defender of the Faith and purchsed the Warrior of the Faith ability as this says if bought by a Spirit Warrior buys it, they may buy as a Warrior of 3 tables lower than them and Warrior subclass of up to their own table. In my mind it would work the same way due to how similar the abilities are, but I thought it best to check.

Yes it does, Lee

Posted by: miles Jun 24 2014, 04:34 PM

Can a faery when taking innates elect to take a lower level spell eg if you took grey and brought the published gain 4th innte in both colours there is no 4th grey apart from dispel 4 could you instead take a 3rd level grey


Nope, no cheeky extra plate selfs for you smile.gif

Posted by: Alasdair Jul 7 2014, 07:59 PM

Given the below... Presumably Calabrim are 'too magical' to buy the later Winds due to their 'anti magic' magical innates?


Currently correct, but it seems a bit stupid doesn't it? I'll ponder and may update when the books are being done.


QUOTE(sonof @ Jul 7 2014, 11:34 AM) *
Is being a half elf considered too "innately magical" to purchase the higher tier winds?

Presuming no

Is buying full elven innates considered too "innately magical" to purchase the higher tiers?

If so I guess having magical innates from Elder Fai would similarly stop you?



Having racial magical innates makes you a mana user. So Half elf fine, Half elf with innates not, Elder fey with plate selfs not.


Posted by: ThatRandomGuy Jul 18 2014, 04:52 PM

QUOTE(Yandere @ Jul 16 2014, 02:09 PM) *
How much does the 'Master Scout' multiclass cost?
It is mentioned in the post 8th book but it doesn't say how much it costs at the back of the book.

It's listed under pathfinders as they are the only class that can go it.


i am looking in the evolution book (3.2) under pathfinder, but i cant find the cost for master scout as it isnt there, is my book just outdated or what?

A good spot then as I am using 3.2 for the rule book re-writes so will add it back in. the costs are:
Master Scout 20 40 90 120 150 200 (lvl 1-6)


Posted by: Branholm Jul 29 2014, 11:33 AM

QUOTE(daork @ Dec 24 2013, 06:33 PM) *
Sorry if this seems like a lot of questions. {{is quite a few :)}}

1. Does the gold spell shield stack with greater shield? {{yes}}
2. Would these stack with affirms? {{yes}}



(Orginal post cut down to relevent bits)

Re item 1, is this still true? recent conversation with Duncan with suggest not.


Shield does not stack with greater shield, I think it even specifies in the Greater shield spell it doesn't stack.


Posted by: Branholm Jul 29 2014, 12:27 PM

QUOTE(Branholm @ Jul 29 2014, 12:33 PM) *
(Orginal post cut down to relevent bits)

Re item 1, is this still true? recent conversation with Duncan with suggest not.


Shield does not stack with greater shield, I think it even specifies in the Greater shield spell it doesn't stack.


In 5.0 (Kindle version) Shield states "This armour can stack with any other magical or physical defence, but not plate(self), plate (other) or other spells which preclude the stacking of armour, It cannot stack with itself"

Greater shield states "as the Shield glyph" ie its a spell that does not preclude the stacking of armour.

As written they stack (unless this has been amended)

Given its an obvious loop hole and the previous GSM's responce in Dec 2013 thought best to clarify before I abused it :)


The key is "as". A general rule is if something is as something else they don't stack.


Posted by: SamR Sep 14 2014, 09:44 PM

Do you get to know what a dying effect is before choosing whether to apply your resistance to dying effect?

I think you should as it is pretty boring being on the floor for 5 minutes, its rubbish when there is an OOC lottery in choosing and it leads to stupid scenarios like elves having to fall over for 5 mins to a spiritual stairway to death?

Surely you get hit by the firestrike or whatever and can choose to suck it up or fall over for 5 mins.


It's never been written down. My personally opinion on how it should work is you are aware of the dying effect and can decide at that point to apply it or not. No working out how much damage you take and if it would kill you or not. Just a "You take this dying effect, do you want to fall over?" Yes/No answer. Sort of like a retro really. Not doing it this way is basically just a bit rubbish with the way the system has evolved.


Posted by: Jasper Jan 21 2015, 08:34 AM

So I know this has been talked about before any number of times but I find myself not knowing the answer;

Can someone who is immune to a type of damage summon something which can inflict it? Can an undead summoned by a priest who is currently spirit invis'd inflict spirit damage?
How about Dancing Sword? Can a manaformed elf inflict physical damage with a Dancing Sword?


Yes they can, because it is something else inflicting the damage. Undead/Elemental is pretty easy to see, Dancing sword a little less but still works.


Posted by: iainwimble Feb 16 2015, 01:27 PM

In the new Almanac it list the Hollow Bone Goblin tribe can play Forest Guardians and Leywalkers but not the base life.

Any chance can have the life's for these goblins.

Thanks Iain

Leywalkers use life as a Silverfolk Spy (35/12 at 8th) and forest guardians and Forest guardians have life as a Goblin pathfinder (39/15 at 8th)


Posted by: ChrisAndrews Jan 3 2017, 11:09 AM

Priests gain "Create Minor/Major Runic Item" at 7 & 8th. Are these specialist skills in the same way that the Wizard makes are specialist skills? Specifically I'm thinking about if you can by them off the all tables if you've got buy as priest but aren't a 7th level priest.

There is a priest option to buy them, in the same way a wizard can. If you buy as priest you can buy them, but there are rules for making below 8th level.


Posted by: SamR Jan 3 2017, 04:21 PM

Do all abilities that require prep time require that ability to be used immediately following the prep or can they be 'stored' up for later? Examples of the top of my head include: strike death blow, affinity with nature, flick of the wrist, mighty strikes and permutations but there are many more.


yes they do scorpion. Concentration also can't be done when being hit/actively parrying monsters or the like.

I also remind people about the rules for locs being severed applies to corpses.


Posted by: Edd Jan 4 2017, 10:38 AM

Why does a mantic mana Shield or earth Shield kill you (assuming say, human) but a mantic spirit invisibility doesn't?

Now that mancer is trivially available for wizards and priests, surely these should read the same? (Which should hopefully be as perantic spirit invis...)

Just looking for understanding smile.gif

Because it got written that way. Also system balance wise mantic neutral spirits is not as hard as mantic grey mana or mantic brown.


Posted by: bendy Jan 4 2017, 02:13 PM


The neuronic status 'Silent Killer' lets you upgrade a neuronic penetration to a neuronic blast once per target at stage 3. If you are a level 6 telekinetic does the ability that lets you use a neuronic blast as a telekinetic one work with the blast that's been upgraded via silent killer.

Also can the two free neuronic penetrations from psycher a minute be upgraded as normal to a neuronic blast if you have silent killer?



Nope, you'd need the ability to cast telekinetic blast.

yes you can use the free pens.


Posted by: Chaz Jan 5 2017, 02:59 PM

Rasha Humans (If they still exist) - Can they buy additional Innates of their Elder Fey Minor Power as it says in the Elder Fey multi race?

Rasha - Any G or N alignment. All are ' fey blooded humans'; as human but gain a single Elder Fey Minor power (if power has Innates, calculated as if L6 of that M/R.) May only M/R published Elder Fey. Cannot join a political or professional guild, but may join social guilds freely.


Nope, they'd need to go Elder gfey for that.


Posted by: DavidFisher Jan 22 2017, 12:05 PM

What does Senseless Vision actually do...? I guess it lets you operate in darkness, mists and fog etc. but given it basically says you have "senseless vision" does it work if you are blinded?

Is it better than Wanderer's Hunch (if yes, how?)



Blindness still works. It means you can see through things like Darkness, Mist, and stuff like that. It doesn't let you see invised people or similar.


Posted by: Hulud Jan 22 2017, 10:37 PM

I've seen this question asked before under a different GSM and I know at least one player has done a points app to protect existing points apps post rebirth.

The question is -

Post rebirth can the same character, generally speaking, re-use points apps previously applied for by that character?

Would a points app 'Genetic Memory' be a good way to try to keep points apps through to a next rebirth?

Sorry, I realise this might have a better home in the Yellow Paper section but it's a GMS ruling I require!


A points app won't help.
The answer is it depends. However the rule is:

If you rebirth and want to buy a points app from pre-rebirth you have to check it with me. It all depends on your previous spend/this one.

So if you follow the battle master route and get stuff passed then rebirth as a warrior/priest chances are they won't get signed on. If however you rebirth as a warrior and go battle master agin you are probably fine.


Posted by: Onasuma Jan 26 2017, 03:02 PM

Vessel of the Spirits and One with Nature both say they don't work with any other form of power regen. Is this specific to the power base they grant (and thus someone could benefit from being both at once) or does regaining one prohibit regaining the other for that influx?

Pete Long

you can't regen both at the same time.


Posted by: Ironcore Jan 28 2017, 12:46 PM

Mana user 'Specialist Slots', wizard and rogue etc, with teaching scrolls,
you can fill with standard spells with no limit or 'advanced spells' at a rate of 1.5 scrolls per table threshold.

Standard spells can be any colour not opposite.

Advanced spells must match colour, available to all or be in the 'elemental' bracket if your a basic colour?

If you have no colour or no fixed colour which 'advanced spells' could you learn from teaching scrolls?


So splitting the above out.

You fill specialist slots with teaching scrolls. Teaching scrolls of standard spells do not count towards your cap.

To learn advance spells they have to be of the correct colour, or class (EG Witch Doctor). You can't learn advance spells if they are not.

Some classes (Rogues with Elemental Student, Grey Wizards with Elementalists) can learn advance spells not of their colour. If they do this with teaching scrolls they count towards their cap.


Posted by: BBB Jan 29 2017, 05:47 PM

Am I correct in that Non-Goodly Priests can now buy Spiritual Healer?

The bit that stated you had to be goodly has gone but the flavour text mentions goodly. Is that just a minor oversight?


Yes they can.


Posted by: Helsvell Feb 5 2017, 06:52 AM

The "Advocate of " druid ability states at the start that you can upgrade one of your chosen fields. Which implies you keep the other two chosen fields. At the end of the ability it states "the druids may not hold any other chosen fields beyond the one they have advocacy in".

So the question is - do you keep the other two chosen fields if you gain the advocacy ability?



You get one field.


Posted by: iainwimble Feb 5 2017, 05:14 PM

Does the Goblin Life Cap apply if they take Hobgoblin Muti Race ??.


Yes. I'm not against reviewing it thought in a while and see how it is working.


Posted by: Alasdair Feb 6 2017, 04:31 PM

Two questions...

Wizard class status "Natural Talent" means gaining specialists, "having a go" at a spell you cannot ordinarily cast, etc. I assume this is entirely standard and can be used as normal if purchased by a Power Master. (which also means Power Masters can buy new spellls at a sensible Pts cost). Please advise?

No power masters can only cast spells of their own colour. So in theory you could use it to cast a 10th level spell of your own colour if you only had 8th level casting. It wouldn't let you cast other spells without other abilities.


Paladins (and GK/UCs) buy as... do you still no longer count as bracket pure if you purchase innates of L6 or above? (And what about more advanced miracles)?

Paladins etc. are bracket pure warrior subclasses regardless of innates they buy. They can't buy advance innates anymore.
This doesn't mean they can have totals and be a battlemaster.



Posted by: Josh0808 Feb 9 2017, 05:19 PM

Hey is it true that you can play an Elf like Fire but be a different colour as long as it's not the races opposite colour?

Thanks Josh.W

No. Some people have done it with points apps, or from rebirths but nor standardly.


Posted by: JackFlashblade Feb 12 2017, 01:39 PM

Can someone who is spirit formed use fore arm parry?


Only vs weapons with a physical component.


Posted by: bendy Feb 12 2017, 10:13 PM

With the status private sector work, are the now physical info effects still neuronics so immune to neuronics applies or are they more like telekinetics so immune to neuronics wouldnt apply (kind of thinking the latter as they are physical but not sure)

Correct, you'd need either rim physical or imm physical info effects.

Also would a physical probe on a physical undead reveal its dismiss name? Sort of thinking the undead has to know its own name given otherwise wouldnt know to be dismissed wink.gif plus it would cost 36 base life smile.gif
Depends n the undead. Zombie/non-intelligent undead probably doesn't. A ghoul/similar might depending on what they are. Intelligent undead would.


Posted by: Ryan Feb 16 2017, 05:24 PM

Golden Golem has a specific caveat that means if you have a spirit you can cast touch range things through it and people with a spirit can unarmed combat hit you.

If cast manticaly I'd like to know which is true;

1) I am immune to all forms of unarmed but can't cast touch range spells and miracles (seems odd as the spell was created for healers to get stuck in).

2) I am still effected by unarmed from those with a spirit and I can still use touch range abilities if I have a spirit.


if you cast a mantic golden golem you can't be touched (inc unarmed) by any one not immune to aura of defence. If some was pure neuronic then they'd get through. This means you can't touch people.


Posted by: Dave Feb 16 2017, 05:27 PM

If a troll has intelligence as human does this get round their normal casting restrictions unless states it in points app


not unless it says so. I think I answered this about trolls and fortune, but the same broadly applies across the line.


Posted by: bendy Feb 26 2017, 04:47 PM

Had two different answers to this one so thought id ask the boss.

If you m/c 6th priest can you buy and cast 7th and 8th level miracles or do you need to take priest to 8th?



I assume this means you are a troll going priest. Buying the ability as a "troll" to cast above 4th gets around the Cast at 1/2 your level restriction, not the priest restriction of can only cast up to your level.


Posted by: bendy Feb 26 2017, 06:44 PM

QUOTE(bendy @ Feb 26 2017, 04:47 PM) *
Had two different answers to this one so thought id ask the boss.

If you m/c 6th priest can you buy and cast 7th and 8th level miracles or do you need to take priest to 8th?



I assume this means you are a troll going priest. Buying the ability as a "troll" to cast above 4th gets around the Cast at 1/2 your level restriction, not the priest restriction of can only cast up to your level.


Yeah i knew about the half troll casting restrictions which are 100 pts to get over i think just wasnt clear on the priest cast up to level one although planned to go 8th anyway smile.gif Cheers boss

Posted by: Elferrick Feb 28 2017, 04:33 PM

Would the ebon spells "Spell Shield" stop you being seen by mana sight?

No, it's not an informational spell. Think more direct, so Detect Animate, Tell power, detect magic etc.


Posted by: draco Mar 1 2017, 05:02 PM

What is the consequence of being level drained with regards to life, power, resistance and casting levels?

How long does it take to come back?

Everyone will hate you now for asking this but:

You lose a level from you base class. For system and battle-boarding ease this means:

Your level of casting is reduced by 1 (so a 1st class priest can't cast 8th lvl miracles).
You lose a level of resistance
If your base life is from your base class it drops.
Your maximum power for power uses if reduced (so an 8th level warrior priests with 24 spirits, drops to 6th, his max spirits becomes 18).
If the ref is brave enough you lose supernatural innates (so neuronics, AP, etc.), but often this is easy to do.

They are earnt back like levels, so if I am reffing it's about 10 encounters to get one back, but depends on the situation.


Posted by: bendy Mar 1 2017, 09:07 PM


Apologies for denseness but when vessel of the spirits says can be used to cast handbook miracles on priests list does this include 'advanced' miracles in the handbook (get confused between standard and handbook).

Also does priest list just mean any handbook miracle the priest has bought or only the ones they have at eigth ie on church list or hermit list?


Handbook is anything standard/handbook that's on your list. So doesn't include advanced (healing hand etc.) even if they are on your base list. However it doesn't include standard miracles you learn post 8th (so if you learn comm 2 with a scripture or points you can use it).


Posted by: CharleyL Mar 2 2017, 04:28 PM

How does being controlled to kill your party work when there are members you are neutral to? Do you go for them last or not at all?

If you embody angel while the effects of a different power based control does the control fall off? I.E Control animal.

Do you have a mind while under the effects of an embody angel?

If you are neutral you can't attack them.
Normally yes, but specific restrictions might prevent you embodying an angel (EG if you are spiritually mastered).
Mind yes, but you are immune to neuronics.


Posted by: fatteacher Mar 3 2017, 08:39 PM

Which domination effects make you suicidally attack people if instructed to do so and which ones allow you an inch or two of self preservation please?

lots make you suicidal and lots gives you options. You need to read them.


Posted by: Josh0808 Mar 6 2017, 03:39 PM

Is there any way to increase your level for the use of spiritual mastery or similar Miracles/Spells?

If so is one of the options to increase your resistance level in X?


Yes, there are several published options. None of them involve your level of resistance though.


Posted by: Jack Mar 6 2017, 04:16 PM

Can you use attract ally to attract them out of walls?

Can you use attract ally to attract them out of walls, bringing them into danger?

I dont care what the answers are, I just dont know what the answers are...


Yes and yes. Assuming you can target them in the wall (so have a relevant sight to see them/similar way of knowing where they are.


Posted by: graham1980 Mar 6 2017, 07:18 PM

Is it possible to acquire Mutliple Status from the KOTL guild benefits as long as you meet the requirements, IE a warlock being able to buy knight of battle and warmage?

Nope, just the one. Same for all guilds if they get multiple status' somehow.

Posted by: DavidFisher Mar 13 2017, 11:16 AM


How does Daring Deed work with the combat wary option and the need to prep? Given it is unlikely you "prep" to get hit, is it just 1/15 mins, you spend 6 TBLP and get 12 ranks of combat wary? Is there any way to use the prep to get it down to 0 TBLP (in general combat)?



Correct 6 life for 12 points of combat wary. The Daring Deed class (art of War or battle) gives casting stamina for daring deed.


Posted by: Netheril Mar 13 2017, 02:38 PM

If you have "bought" an item with points, so it becomes a permanent part of your character, does it still count as an item for restrictions, such as 3 items max as a paladin?



Probably not, but depends on how the ability is worded.


Posted by: dnsmantra Mar 13 2017, 09:01 PM

QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Mar 13 2017, 11:16 AM) *
Correct 6 life for 12 points of combat wary. The Daring Deed class (art of War or battle) gives casting stamina for daring deed.


Doesn't daring deed only give 6pts of combat wary? [if so, nicely done David wink.gif, if not I've been doing myself out of 6 more pts for ages] (or did it get changed in the new books).


It got better.

Posted by: Forefallen Mar 14 2017, 05:48 PM

As a Shaman, can I multiclass as a pure priest?

I couldn't find it in the books, although I may just be being blind.

Within any racial restrictions yes.


Posted by: Elferrick Mar 16 2017, 04:13 PM

In the Wizards Grmoire where a ranged and self spell can be bought together for say 40 points (Twilight [S] & [R] for example) will this require one or two specialist slots ....


You can't normally learn advanced spells as specialists, but if you could they would take 2 slots.


Posted by: Netheril Mar 17 2017, 08:42 AM

Have encountered a lot of variance in how sever is treated. Some say you need 2 resistances to sever to apply any further damage reductions. Which I know was dealt with in a previous GSM question...

"For sever you can apply rages etc. once you have applies a resistance to sever.
For Loc to Zero you can apply them straight away, but afetr resistances to sever if you have any."

But I just want to confirm that my understanding for damage calculation is right unless non standard rules are applied. Which is basically you calculate the damage needed to sever or reduce the limb to zero, and then apply resistances and further damage reductions.

So if I am in 200 life, 100 to a loc and get hit by a sever to the same arm 6 times, and I have 1 resistance to sever and 50% off all damage, then I take 50 pts from the first blow. And then each subsequent blow is reduced. As the second blow would take 50 pts to reduce the limb to zero, so I take 25 pts on the next blow. Then 13 pts on the next blow, etc, etc.

Meaning that sever alone will never actually stop the limb working given the above damage reductions, but if the monster is doing say six plus sever, then eventually the damage grade will supplant the sever effect?

Is the above right? And I presume numeric damage reductions aren't calculated into this, as in if I have 12 pts off all weapon blows, does that apply to severs? Don't think so, but have really struggled with different interpretations for sever so just want to know for sure.

Finally, does justice of the kings apply to severs?



PS Am aware there are non standard rules for what some call "real mans sever" etc, but just want to know the standard rule if not told otherwise beforehand so I can be sure how to react / whether to fall over in the middle of a melee! smile.gif

You and your assumptions are correct on how all published versions work, they also apply to all points apps.

If sever is a weapon blow them justice would apply.

Personally "real mans" resistance to sever is just a way of saying your resistance don't work like they are written.


Posted by: dhurrell Mar 18 2017, 11:33 AM

Spiritual Invigorate Armour
E.g. If in PAC 6, would grant SAC 3.
If I take a physical/spiritual 12pt double, does the SAC provided by the armour stack with the PAC granted by that same armour or is it the best of the 2? Not sure if I take 12-6, or 12-6-3.

Dave H

You'd take 6 points off as you can't apply sac to a physical/spiritual blow unless:
They are spirit only, so you'd get ac 9 (6+3)
You are spirit only, so you get ac 3, since you cant use the Pac.


Posted by: Darkended Mar 21 2017, 01:45 PM

Being struck with a Knockdown during a salmon leap brings you down to the ground where you are struck, or knocks you to the ground where you were jumping too?

Where you get hit makes most sense.


Posted by: dhurrell Mar 21 2017, 07:34 PM

QUOTE(dhurrell @ Mar 18 2017, 11:33 AM) *
Spiritual Invigorate Armour
E.g. If in PAC 6, would grant SAC 3.
If I take a physical/spiritual 12pt double, does the SAC provided by the armour stack with the PAC granted by that same armour or is it the best of the 2? Not sure if I take 12-6, or 12-6-3.

Dave H

You'd take 6 points off as you can't apply sac to a physical/spiritual blow unless:
They are spirit only, so you'd get ac 9 (6+3)
You are spirit only, so you get ac 3, since you cant use the Pac.


What if you had spiritual empower armour so it was +0 spiritual armour?

Then the PAC applies vs pure spirit weapons as well as the SAC.


Posted by: Elferrick Mar 21 2017, 10:15 PM

If you are a priest and take the MR elder fae and do you lose half your spirits when you get to the level that gives you a half spirit?

Yes, exactly as 1/2 elf.


Posted by: Nibs Mar 22 2017, 08:53 PM

The make rules for neuronic shards states "Obviously they must also have an innate/the ability at will to bind it."

Do the innates gained from the retrained psi scout status count?

Can foci be applied to the casting damage when using a shard?

Cheers smile.gif

Nope and yes.


Posted by: Harrumph Mar 28 2017, 02:11 PM

Hi Lee, ok so I have DAC12 from various standard tables abilities

I also wear normal 2+2 Master Crafted AC, I wear appropriate phys rep and have an armour card - I understand system max AC is 12 so can't go above that for AC

but can i use both the standard tables +1 max ac in master crafted and imm to bruising using dac ( the monk ability)?


Yeah, seems fair to duelists.


Posted by: Phoenix13 Mar 28 2017, 07:40 PM

What is better for a warrior-priest, embodie angel or summon angel

That's an entirely OOC choice. Both have benefits. If you use an Embody angel you need a spirit weapon to be able to fight still.

You are probably better off buying more spirits and other generic abilities first before looking at these.

If you do a post on the OOC board lots of people will be able to offer advice on what to look at depending on the type of priest you are.


Posted by: Harrumph Apr 1 2017, 05:48 AM


From the new race book "goblins may not have more than 48 tblp for life capping purposes"

1. Does that override the warriors have 56 for the case of life capping?

2. If my goblin MRs titan and gets into a mighty 51 tblp base is my life cap is still calculated at 48?

3. If I MR hobgoblin I'm assuming I now lose the goblin life cap restriction, do I?




1 - Nope, Goblins suffer for double dac etc.
2 - Alas no
3 - Yes, I said this else where. It's a specific hobgloblin benefit and I'm unlikely to let people get it in another way.


Posted by: Harrumph Apr 1 2017, 06:27 AM

Hi again, sorry more questions that may well be answered elsewhere

on table 4 there are 3 faery innate purchases

1. buy extra 3rd level - it says in one colour only
2. buy extra 4th level - it says in one colour only
3. tri colour - it says does not count in double faery innates

my questions are,
a) the wording in one colour only for 1 and 2 above, does that mean if you buy both of them they have to be in your two different fairy innate colours? and can't be both in the same colour?

cool.gif tri colour not counting in double/triple faery innates - does this mean that options 1 and 2 above do count in double/triple innates?

a- They can be the same colour as each other, of different colours.
B - Nope, double/triple only applies to basic innates.


Posted by: Nibs Apr 2 2017, 08:11 AM

Given that non-humans cannot buy an Amlesian status, where do they fall in the caste system?

They don't. They suffer as the outcasts they are.... or broadly they have to earn them, which means CC's, points apps and character development.


Posted by: Nibs Apr 2 2017, 07:54 PM

Things that grant "well equiped with a suit of armour"...How does that work with characters that wear skins? What AC skins can they get?

Some free skins seems fair smile.gif

Posted by: Elferrick Apr 3 2017, 03:37 PM

Sorry annoying wardpact question.
If you are warded vs say sprites and have spoken the words etc. Will destroying the generator cause you to break the pact. My first thought is no! As you pact against each elemental as it arrives. But i just want to make sure.

Depends on the situation. Broadly be careful.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 5 2017, 09:22 PM

i stilll have the white MC evolution and it says way finders can MC paladin. Is this a typo?




Posted by: Darkended Apr 5 2017, 11:36 PM

An Amlesian spy purchases the Trained from Youth ability (loses shield ability and gains forearm parry).

If said spy was to multiclass Seer, which does not allow use of a shield, would the forearm parry be lost as well?

The way I -think- it works is that the spy could purchase the Trained from Youth ability and then multi class to seer, but if they multi classed seer before buying the ability they would then be unable to.

You are fine. Spy going seer you get to keep use shield.


Posted by: daork Apr 6 2017, 12:08 PM

Elder fey states 'the major and minor talents may not be selected from the same category' and states that the additional major and minor talents bought may not be the same category as the initial major and minor talents respectively. Does that mean:
A: i could pick say a magical minor talent in the multiclass and later decide to buy a magical major talent
B: would all 4 talents have to be in different catagories.

Also angel touched and demon bound have 'any' listed as able to buy them. Does this mean there is no alignment restriction on either of them?


For Elder fey option A.
For Angel Bound/Demon touched they require you to be Good/Evil as appropriate, and have a spirit. It says in the races description.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 10 2017, 11:27 AM

shoudl a character elcet to buy one of the post x mr cannot take mr to 7+8 can now MC to Y. doe y count as a MC or a MR for the purposes of taking it to 8th. for example. Titanic, post 6th uruk, can take titan as a MC. is it then possible to take titan to 8th as your 8th level MC???



No it's not. It's there to mean you don't have to do a poitns app for your 7/8 race if you don't want to.


Posted by: BBB Apr 17 2017, 10:11 AM

I appreciate that this is a slightly odd question but:

Angel Touched (and Demonbound) says "may take a Minor / Medium / Major Power" various levels.

(1) Can you choose not to fill one of those slots with a Power when buying up the Multi-Race?

(2) If yes to (1) could you then choose to fill it at some later point?

And out of general curiosity

(3) If yes (2) and/or (1) would a similar principle apply to Primal Soul it just states "Minor Power as below"

(4) If yes (2) and/or (1) would a similar principle apply to Elder Fey which states "Gains one Minor / Major Talent as below - to be written on card at time of purchase"


When you buy the level you pick the ability, all simple.


Posted by: Christine Apr 19 2017, 06:33 PM

Renewal (4sp Minor Healing miracle, Cure Serious every 30 seconds for 5 minutes whilst resting and inactive) and Prayer to Aid (+1/3 effect if the priest spends 10 seconds per spirit point praying / prepping calmly).

So Renewal cast with Prayer to Aid prep now heals 16/16 every 30 seconds for 5 minutes?




Posted by: Cildan Apr 20 2017, 01:34 AM

Can Deny Power be used against Wardings or does it have to be against a Monster played part?

Depends on the warding and how it works.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 21 2017, 08:59 PM

If a bersker is spiritually master to not attack his party members, and then beserks, as long as he is not immune to the spiritual mastery and does not have greater resistance levels than the skill level of the caster, would this prevent the beserker from party hacking or would the bersker spirit take over and instead enable him to kill indescriminantly as normal??



You are spiritually mastered, you do what you are told.
However remember that your resistance levels double, so it becomes tricky.


Posted by: Josh0808 Apr 22 2017, 08:11 PM

If you have no writing stating blow up on death on a character card should it still be ripped up?

~Joshua Westcott

Also only meant for one this is the awnser for ya.

Items blow up on death unless they say otherwise.
Other things don't blow up (so potions, armour etc.).


Posted by: Phoenix13 Apr 23 2017, 07:55 AM

Do u lose items when you die or when it expires?



Posted by: MarkD May 6 2017, 08:25 AM

Does half effect magic give immunity to a bog-standard anath's, since it sort of gives you half effect black or do you need the specific resistance?


Immunity no, but it works like 1/2 effect black does.


Posted by: dnsmantra May 9 2017, 04:25 PM

The separate pools of power ruling seems needlessly complicated and yet another thing that will encourage people to need fiddly stop watches and the like for regenning power (rather than just doing a general tot up after a couple of hours of in vs out). What's the logic behind it? Seems like extra complexity for little if any benefit system-wise.


For as long as I can remember separate pools worked this way, but these are the first ones ever published. I don't think it is complicated, it is pretty simple. Pool A and B don't mix.

The system reason is the classes would be more expenses if they just let you regen power (which mixing them would do for almost all purposes).


Posted by: Harrumph May 15 2017, 05:57 AM

Sorry for this noddy question but does lightening reactions make you immune to the blow you might receive while jumping? If it doesn't is there anything that does?


No it doesnt. There's a tables ability immunity to damage in the first jump of a series.


Posted by: BennyB May 16 2017, 08:02 AM

Having almost been caught out by something similar over the weekend...
If as a wayfinder I purchase "Spiritual Choice" am I correct in thinking that I can use the innates on non-standard miracles that are on my miracle list?





Posted by: AlanG May 16 2017, 08:04 AM

What are lifescales for Hollowbone Goblin Forest Guardians and Leywalkers? I assuming they aren't as human given its a goblin but unfortunately Almanac doesn't give you a clue.

Also are Leywalkers considered classed as a 1st class Druidic Class for purpose of Druidic Status'? I know they don't buy as 1st class Forest Guardian but still in both scout and druid bracket so thought I would check.



Leywalkers use life as a Silverfolk Spy (35/12 at 8th) and Forest guardians have life as a Goblin pathfinder (39/15 at 8th)


Posted by: Rannock May 16 2017, 01:06 PM

So, been wondering for a while now. If an Altunhust Ratfolk Multi-Races to something with a significant make-up restriction, does their ability to assume a human appearance override this?
E.g. If An Evil Altunhust Ratfolk Warrior MRs to Fire Daimon, could they choose at the start of the adventure to turn up looking and discerning as a human, or would they be forced to still have the Fire Daimon make-up on, therefore discern as a fire daimon?


Yep they can look human still.


Posted by: BBB May 18 2017, 04:12 PM

Obviously Ghost only works when you using the relevant Info Immunity but can you buy Ghost without having bought any of the immunity to Info Effects as Pre-Reqs and use it with Immunity to Info Effects from other sources E.g. Items / Guild / Radiated Benefits et cetera.

Or do you have to have bought at least one of the immunities to be able to buy Ghost (and then add the other immunities as and when)?


Yes Ian you can just buy Ghost and use retainer for it smile.gif


Posted by: FlorenceWarren May 19 2017, 12:22 PM

If you've bought the Spiritual Vessel MR, can you still cast a Spirit Invis? And if yes, what would be the effect of that spirit invis?

Is it the same as before, you're just immune to all Spiritual effects? or does it (Like Paul reckons) either act as a sort of vanish animate and you stop existing for the duration, or does it just kill you?

Thanks in advance

You can't cast it as you are spirit only.

As a general rule you need to have "hits" (as in can take damage from" at least one power base. So no being Immune to physical damage (immortal), casting spirit invis, mind barring, and casting earth shield for example.


Posted by: Orlock May 19 2017, 02:46 PM

Can Witches curses/blessings be added to their miracle list as per normal or are they only available post 8th as stated in WFA ?

If they can be added are they counted towards the 10 advanced miracles points available or out of the standard 60 spend ?

I wouldnt have thought that Witch curses would be advanced for a Witch as thats the point, but I thought I would seek clarification.

Many thanks,

They can be added, but they are advanced miracles.


Posted by: graham1980 May 19 2017, 02:48 PM

Concerning The commoner tradition, It specifically states you get dac equal to the difference between armour worn and armour allowed by class, Does this mean for example, a troll warrior in furs could get 2 dac since a warrior is allowed to wear plate, or do racial restrictions superceed this meaning he would gain none since trolls can only wear furs??

Racial restrictions apply where relevant.


Posted by: graham1980 May 19 2017, 07:59 PM

can a power master benefit from specialist slots??

Depends on the source. They can't buy them post 8th, so status' wouldn't give them to them.
Guild benefits would be ok though.


Posted by: JasonE May 19 2017, 09:20 PM


think I heard that this was no longer the case! are Mantic casters still limited to using only their coloured magical items?

also heard that spiritual items that grant life and SAC no longer need utilise spirit item (items with innates still do) is this true?

and that like bless, wizards (this is not for Dog) can use them?

thanks in advance

Mancers are still restricted to using only their own colours/alignment.

Life items aren't normally spiritual. You don't need Utilise spirit item for SAC.

Yes wizards can benefit from bless.


Posted by: Netheril May 22 2017, 12:59 PM

The once ever ability Invoke Dragon allows you to keep casting when you have no mana remaining. Do you die from overcasting when the ability runs out even if you've not taken enough damage in the fight to kill you?



Yes you still die.


Posted by: Josh0808 May 23 2017, 05:48 PM

As a GK/AP could you be able to buy an advanced miracle from a sphere for example "Souls hunger" for UC or "Force touch" for GK?

~Joshua Westcott

Not using your grey knight/AP buy as.


Posted by: Forefallen May 27 2017, 09:28 PM

If you are level 6 immortal, and have got the pts app of 'druidic heal isn't flesh/blood on myself' and haven't bought the upgrade, can you heal yourself using it? Or are you immune to the healing because you're immune to the damage from that powerbase?

This isn't for points apps. Feel free to bring the points app to me.


Posted by: graham1980 May 30 2017, 05:54 PM

I am sure this had been asked but i cant find it any where, Is the new version of pain (latest blue wizardbook) a flesh and blood effect? or does this need is own seperate resistance/immunity now???

pain is still a flesh and blood effect. The only change is it now inflicts magic damage and mac can be applies to it.


Posted by: Hampton May 31 2017, 01:21 PM

If for what ever reason "Empower Armour" (Power Warrior specialist skill) became Goodly aligned Holy Empower Armour and granted SAC as well as MAC would you automatically get 1/2 effect evil spirits?

Depends on the ability, but probably not.


Posted by: Hampton Jun 1 2017, 11:00 AM

Do the Newer Colours of Magic have a true opposite like the elemental based colours?

Yes Gold-Bronze, Ivory - Ebony,. Jade - Onyx.


Posted by: Ferro Jun 3 2017, 12:13 PM

If I choose war cry or cold rage as my warrior specialists and then multi class something else that gives me warrior specialists, can I get another war cry and cold rage?

If yes, what doesn't this apply to?

No you can't.
If, and it seems unlikely but is possible in the future, an ability could be taken multiple times then you could.

So using scouts you can't take "stealth" multiple times, but can take well equipped.


Posted by: Harrumph Jun 3 2017, 09:48 PM

does the caster of sanctuary also benefit from the extra dac, 25% damage reduction and 9th level resistances? or just their marked allies?




Posted by: Forefallen Jun 4 2017, 12:22 AM


I haven't seen them clarified anywhere properly, but we all know they exist. I know you get one at 10K, and 20/30K ones are rumoured...

How do they work and what points do you get them at?

Ta smile.gif

More a points app question but there is an article in an almanac about 10k gifts (it might be on line). I can't remember which one sorry.
Broadly they let you break/bend a system rule. Examples are max a/c 18, more life, a third bracket etc.
Things like doing magical damage which spirit only is still a no though, as are other things that would cause a lot of problems for referees to run or be unfair to players.
They can also let you do cool things you might not be otherwise able to do.

You get them at 10k and 30k.
20k gifts do not exists.


Posted by: graham1980 Jun 8 2017, 07:30 PM

if a wizard acquires a spell as a specialist and then later takes second colour to the colour of that spell, does this then free up the speciliast slot?

If this is true, what happens in the specific case of natural talent, which says you cant change your specilaists spells once chosen.

Yes it does free up because it's no longer a specialist. For natural talent you get to pick a new one.


Posted by: Edd Jun 10 2017, 06:08 PM

If you are magic only, am I correct in thinking that against a magic quad (with a physical component) you can apply your PAC, MAC and DAC to the damage, as you're only effected by the magical side of the damage.



Not exactly. You can only use Pac if it is magical, so +0 magic armour for example. At this point you could.


Posted by: jj420 Jun 11 2017, 11:09 AM

Do half athfanal wizards gain glave use like other ishmaic charcter's?

No. Ishmaic Humans gain it, not other characters.


Posted by: Hampton Jun 13 2017, 10:37 AM

Hi, quick query about the T8 ability 1/4 effect from one element from 1/2 effect.

Does this only apply to fire, air, earth and water only as it states element or can it be bought for any colour of magic.

And can it be bought more than once?

Any Colour but only once.


Posted by: Mart07 Jun 14 2017, 04:19 PM

Almanac Race/guild query -

Mouratian's (Almanac 1) - specifically Mouratian Human's = Characters may not join open guilds (other than those specifically restricted to Mourat) until they reach T:8 where they may gain Basic tier benefits. They may buy - Intermediate tier on T:10 and Advanced tier on T:11.

The new guild rules published in Almanac 8 revised a lot of the older/historic restrictions - but at the end stated "Anyone not listed above (e.g. Mistfolk) remains unchanged - so would Mouratians' still need to buy Intermediate and Advanced tiers for points, or would they now (given guilds are now free) get those tiers on T.10 and 11 respectively.



You don't have to pay point, you just get them later.


Posted by: Christine Jun 16 2017, 08:23 AM

The new WFA doesn't have ranges for Discern Spiritual Mastery, only the 10 point add on to range it to LOS. What is the basic range? Sure it used to be 1 inch.


All discerns are 1 inch except discern nature of undead.


Posted by: FlorenceWarren Jun 19 2017, 08:34 AM

Do Ancientfolk actually *have* alignment restrictions?

Are alignment restrictions generally still a thing?

Thanks in advance!


Yes and yes


Posted by: bendy Jun 20 2017, 08:37 AM


With precognitive knowledge, aka comm 3, its duration is 2 minutes. Do the two minutes include getting all the answers or can you ask two minutes of questions (say you might have prepared earlier) and then get the answers?



They include getting the answers.


Posted by: RichFromant Jun 22 2017, 12:32 PM

With the table 12 Champions Armour ability, is the total damage reduction of Armour Mastery and Distancing still capped at 9 points with Knights Amour? Reads like it is, but doesn't feel very good even for 50 points, if it is!

It is still capped at 9 points. It is designed for people not wanting to go armour master.


Posted by: Hampton Jun 23 2017, 12:34 PM

Query re weapons that are created/summoned by supernatural means

Are all weapons that are created by supernatural means automatically aligned to the caster.

for example is an Ivory Weapon cast by a lawful good wizard automatically a supernatural goodly aligned weapon?

No, an ivory weapon is Ivory. If it was cast by a goodly Ivory wizard gone mancer then it would be Ivory mana/good spirit.


Posted by: Hampton Jun 26 2017, 01:42 PM

Hi I found this from an old post from 2009 Re. Empower Armour. Please can I have a current ruling.

Empower Armour grants Mac upto half the value of the pac but it also Grants half effect opposite element.
Does this mean that if I get the second colour ivory ability post 8th that it would give me half effect ebony mana as well as the half effect black provided I
follow the restrictions of additional colour designs etc?



Nope, only base colour.


Posted by: Jorven Jun 26 2017, 08:24 PM

Hi Lee!

Two quick things regarding the Armour Master multiclass.

Firstly, does it stack with anything else like Contra Masteries or Distancing? I'm guessing not but always worth checking.

Secondly, if not, does the (Sharp) + (Blunt) concept cover all forms of unarmed combat, I.e. claws and fists?


- Mark G.

It doesn't stack without an ability to let it (there is one for stacking with distancings on the table).
There are only three types of damage "Sharp" "Blunt" "Pure" so unarmed must be one of them.


Posted by: JackFlashblade Jul 2 2017, 07:00 PM

Benson was wondering, can you pop a hollow tooth with a healing potion in it whilst raging?

It depend son the restricitons of the rage. Cold rage is probably ok, berserk not really

Also, he wondered if you have an item of magical live to minus 1st time needed, and an item of spiritual live to minus 1st time needed, would they both kick in at the same time meaning 'mantic damage was required to enter the live to minus?

Nope. They kick in either grantin gpsiritual live to minus 6 or magical live to minus 6. Not both.

*%^&£*" Benson!



Posted by: jj420 Jul 11 2017, 09:23 AM

Ogre druid. There life scale isn't in my druid book but the race book sez they are playable.

Any help on what there life is?


As Human but with +2 to the abdomen.


Posted by: Stuart Jul 13 2017, 08:46 PM

Is there a cap on power regen? So if you have mana vortex (12 mana and 12 back per hour) and an item of 3 mana regenning at 1/15 mins, do they stay in different pools but all regenerate together?

Regening items and the published classes do not stack with other power regaining (including med) so you would take the best.

Non -Standards follow the same rule unless they say otherwise.


Posted by: Carlo Jul 13 2017, 09:02 PM

Golden golem goes down if the caster runs.

If the caster has been effected by a knock back/repulsion/water cannon etc. Does that break the golden golem?




Posted by: graham1980 Jul 14 2017, 10:07 PM

Is it possible for an assassin to take both Ninja and bully since niether of them remove you from the bracket??

yes but you are then stuck in the scout bracket.


Posted by: jj420 Jul 18 2017, 11:38 AM

When creating an evil stairway for an antipaladin.
Is it possible to have hult and spirit bolt if they are used for doing evil things. Such as..... hult iv now beaten you to death?




Posted by: FlorenceWarren Jul 19 2017, 11:28 PM

Can an Assassin, say that they're an assassin? Or does this trigger the Conditioned Heart Stop?

Thanks in Advance!

Saying you are an assassin is ok. Basically it is meant to be you don't tell who taught you or who you are doing contracts for,


Posted by: Leo Jul 20 2017, 02:33 PM

As a vessel for the dead, if I have an item that doesn't blow up on death can I use it while raised as an undead, or is the undead not personalized to it?

Nope they can't.

Less Cheese Leo!!!!


Posted by: Archie Jul 21 2017, 12:02 PM


If I have already bought a non-standard, points app status can I buy a published one as well e.g. Imperial Seer?

Also, am I able to buy a KotL status e.g. War Mage?


Guild ones are definitely fine.

Non-standard ones from "back in the day" are probably fine, but check with me.


Posted by: BBB Jul 21 2017, 01:10 PM

The Priest Status: Witness of Hidden Secrets

The “Detect Life” ability (assuming it’s not a typo and meant to be Detect Lie!) how does it function? 20’ range like other Detect abilities or is it more a 1” discern?

Is it supposed to have a verbal?

(OK, so I'm entirely willing to buy the whole status just for the spirit point reduction as both my neutral priests but it would be nice to know what the rest of it does! smile.gif )


It's a typo as mentioned in another thread, so is Detect Lie.

Posted by: graham1980 Jul 25 2017, 08:40 AM

Should a reatainer who has taken vessel of the dead by animated by and undead by a noble he is retainer too, does he gain 50% extra hits?



Posted by: Nibs Jul 27 2017, 02:58 PM

Demon Slayer MC: Slayer's Blow - "May strike a single blow (or empower a single damaging spell/miracle) such that it will harm any demonkind which was capable of harming the Demon-Slayer"

Does Sabre of Light & Truth (sword of power, fireblade etc.) count as a single damaging spell, or just one blow from the sabre?

Sabre is a summoning spell not a damaging one smile.gif So just a single blow.


Posted by: 5h1v Jul 30 2017, 09:30 PM

2 quick questions I hope:

What is the Max AC of a vivomancer?

Can a vivomancer join a church?

6, and they are hermits so can only join a church if the church benefits say they can, so Unity for example.

I've been open that a "first ability post 8th" points app of is a member of X church is always pretty cheap.


Posted by: fatteacher Jul 31 2017, 09:49 PM

Hi Lee

Can you clarify who can use mantic items please?

Warrior types and scouts - not unless they have utilise spirit item?

Wizards - not unless they have utilise spirit item?

Priests - ??

Thank you

It depends on the item. To inflict spirit damage you need utilise spirit item. To inflict magic damage with a sword (even a mantic one) you need utilise magic item.


Posted by: Harrumph Aug 6 2017, 06:54 AM

Hi, can you please confirm how elemental sight works (standard Handbook elementals)

They can see their own colour of magic and the opposite?
They can see physical?
Can they see other colours of magic?

If a magical darkness surrounds their colour if magic (E. G. Somebody with a fireblade has a magical darkness up) can an undie see through the magical darkness to see the fire blade?


Elements see their own, opposite and other elements. They don't see physically but if a person isn't immune to magic they can see them.
Darkness does block their vision.


Posted by: bendy Aug 7 2017, 02:50 PM


With 'rushed thoughts' the 30 pts neuronic ability that lets you ignore prep time for comms it says no other enhancements may be used. Just wondering what enhancements are defined as. Do passive type abilities that let you know if you comms are being deceived / protect you from backlash count as an enhancement?

If I can split my comm questions is this an enhancement?



Passive upgrades, like shielded enquiry/injuction are ok, but "get one word answers from minor precog" wouldn't be unless it statted it did.


Posted by: fatteacher Aug 7 2017, 10:20 PM

Hi Lee

Does 'Immunity to Call Location' have any affect on causing sent on wings of darkness please? For example, an evil priest casting 'cause serious - head'

Thank you



Posted by: Archie Aug 10 2017, 01:14 PM

QUOTE(bendy @ Aug 7 2017, 03:50 PM) *

With 'rushed thoughts' the 30 pts neuronic ability that lets you ignore prep time for comms it says no other enhancements may be used. Just wondering what enhancements are defined as. Do passive type abilities that let you know if you comms are being deceived / protect you from backlash count as an enhancement?

If I can split my comm questions is this an enhancement?



Passive upgrades, like shielded enquiry/injuction are ok, but "get one word answers from minor precog" wouldn't be unless it statted it did.


And can I ask how the enhanced mind effect for asking precog/major precog questions one-by-one works? Do you do the prep time for the first question and then save them up? or do you have to do the full prep for each question? What is the life cost associated with this ability

Assuming you mean Enlightened mind.
Precog/major precog means you have to decide the questions before you start. Enlightened mind means you can ask a question, then the next and so on. It doesn't effect the prep or anything, just lets you decide the questions in order, not at the start.


Posted by: draco Aug 16 2017, 06:48 PM

Do non-standard abilities that emulate tables abilities stack with them?

I.E. a multiclass that grants 1 point off per level when wearing armour combined with armour mastery

Or DAC from non-standard classes combining with tables and scout classes/multiclasses

Only is they say they do.
For class Dac (or similar) work on the rule pathfinder doesn't attack with budoka but does with acrobat.


Posted by: Forefallen Aug 16 2017, 07:57 PM

Wind dancer life at 8th is 51/15, but 7th is 48/16, is this a typo and it's meant to be 51/17?

You have 29/9? or more sensibly 51/17 is correct.


Posted by: bendy Aug 17 2017, 07:37 AM


With 'Shielded Enquiries' the 60 points comm priest ability do you get to know what the fx you are going to suffer is before choosing whether to fall unconscious or take less damage? (am thinking not and it's more like a dying fx)

Also do you get the answer to the Comm or do you just take the negative effect?



As with dying effects you get to know what you are being hit with before you apply it.

Broadly optional defences vs attacks get to know the attack first, but need to decided at the time. If you start trying to work out what you would take then you don't apply anything.


Posted by: ethuil Aug 24 2017, 04:02 PM

The Druid book states that you can only cast evocations of your level or lower. The Priest book states that you cannot cast a miracle of a higher level than your own using your own spirits.

If you multiclass them to 6th level, can you (ever) cast 7th/8th level miracles/evocations?

It's possible I'm just not seeing this in the classes rules, if so then sorry!

Broadly no, you need to go to 7/8, standarly


Posted by: isbiraven Aug 25 2017, 08:03 PM

Path of blood says that can not use blunt only sharp weapons...

So if a witch or a warrior priest takes path of blood... do they get the ability to use a sword instead of a mace or cudgel?

you can use sharp weapons.


Posted by: Leo Aug 28 2017, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(ethuil @ Aug 24 2017, 05:02 PM) *
The Druid book states that you can only cast evocations of your level or lower. The Priest book states that you cannot cast a miracle of a higher level than your own using your own spirits.

If you multiclass them to 6th level, can you (ever) cast 7th/8th level miracles/evocations?

It's possible I'm just not seeing this in the classes rules, if so then sorry!

Broadly no, you need to go to 7/8, standardly


Hang on, does this mean that a character MCed to 6th level priest can buy 8th level innates, but someone MCed to 6th level druid can't?

No it doesn't.


Posted by: jj420 Sep 5 2017, 06:36 PM

Is it posible to start a charcter as demon touched?



Posted by: Ikwos Sep 6 2017, 12:00 AM

Hi Lee,

What is the Benefit to buying 9th Level resistance to spirits and magic?



It means level based effects need to be higher to work on you.

So a sleep effecting 8 levels wouldn't work on you.


Posted by: Alasdair Sep 7 2017, 09:38 PM

Couple of priestly questions, please:

Does 'warrior of the faith' (post 6th Defender of the Faith / Weapons Priest) stop you buying Spiritual Vessel MR. Guessing not as you are still only in the priest bracket per the description?

Spirit Warriors can buy Priestly Spiritual Acceptance (to be as a 0sp priest). Can you then buy Priestly Believer and benefit, or do you have to (Non standardly) go Devout Priest for more general spirits (as opposed to Spiritual XXX)?



No you are still in the priest bracket.

You could, if you really wanted to buy spiritual choice and go Priestly believer.


Posted by: Chaz Sep 11 2017, 11:36 AM

Does multiclassing Chi Warrior as a Pure Priest count as leaving the Priest bracket?


Yes, generally rule is look at the buy as. If it gives you want it's in that bracket unless it specifically says its not.


Posted by: Harrumph Sep 12 2017, 09:49 AM

Hi, so let's assume I am a 6th level battlemaster - O class, I have bought greater blade fury, eye for an opponent and one on one

I'm assuming i can choose to apply blade fury and opponenet study in a number of ways

1. Just use a blade fury as 6pt damage reduction
2. Just use a blade fury as a greater blade fury for 1/6th off (no points damage reduction)
3. use a blade fury (with greater) and an opponent study (and one on one) for 1/6th off weapon blows and 9 pts off one person (so both the points and the fractional are stacking)
4. use blade fury (with greater) and eye for opponent for 1/4 off chosen opponent (and 1/6th off everyone else)

On top of the above options 2 and 4 - can i apply other damage reductions e.g. counter/contras so that i get a points damage reduction and a fractional

thanks, and apologies if this is obvious to everyone else

you are correct.


Posted by: Cildan Sep 12 2017, 12:48 PM

Does everyone get Utilise Magic Item standardly?

priest bracket classes don't get it and farfolk don't.


Posted by: fatteacher Sep 12 2017, 03:14 PM

QUOTE(Harrumph @ Sep 12 2017, 10:49 AM) *
Hi, so let's assume I am a 6th level battlemaster - O class, I have bought greater blade fury, eye for an opponent and one on one

I'm assuming i can choose to apply blade fury and opponenet study in a number of ways

1. Just use a blade fury as 6pt damage reduction
2. Just use a blade fury as a greater blade fury for 1/6th off (no points damage reduction)
3. use a blade fury (with greater) and an opponent study (and one on one) for 1/6th off weapon blows and 9 pts off one person (so both the points and the fractional are stacking)
4. use blade fury (with greater) and eye for opponent for 1/4 off chosen opponent (and 1/6th off everyone else)

On top of the above options 2 and 4 - can i apply other damage reductions e.g. counter/contras so that i get a points damage reduction and a fractional

thanks, and apologies if this is obvious to everyone else

you are correct.


Am I right in thinking the points reductions from blade fury and counter/contra mastery don't stack?

Yes, the rules are:

You can apply one fractional
One numerical
One Percentile

reduction to any weapon blow, unless both types of reduction say they stack (So if you had two stacking 3 points, you could have 6 points off).

In general racial fractionals (EG Dwarf 1/2 effect magic, 1/2 elf half spirit) will stack with relevant tables resistances to that power base (So a dwarf with 1/2 effect fire can have 1/4 effect pure flaming magical weapons, or a 1/2 elf with greatness of spirit can half quarter effect).

As a note if you have "stacking" damage reductions they probably need to be checked with me.


Posted by: Ryan Sep 13 2017, 10:37 AM

I was chatting to Redman's Friend and the subject of Jade mana - 60/60 healing for 3 mana came up as brilliant as he was a spiritless Demon.

I remember you once saying I couldn't benefit from something Jade as an Angel once on Dungeon as I wasn't alive, I assume because of this Angel's and Demon's aren't living?

He doesn't care either way as Heart Attack just knock's him unconscious so immunity to it would be as useful as healing...


PC Demons and Angels are alive unless they have somehting to say they are not.
Monsters depends on the ref's statting.


Posted by: graham1980 Sep 17 2017, 10:06 PM

Is it possible to be both night soil and baronies??





Posted by: graham1980 Sep 22 2017, 04:46 PM

Should a sorceror MC to grey wizard and buy cromatic, would this prevent him from using his sorceries, or prevent him from acquired advanced sorceries??


It works as written. So you can only cast standard spells. Meaning base spells o nsorcorial list are fine, but advance ones are not.


Posted by: miles Sep 25 2017, 04:22 AM

If a silverfolk buys clairvoyant or para psychic do they count as entering the neuronic bracket or are they enhancements to there race as they can buy them slightly cheaper in the books as a racial buy as


They're entering the bracket.


Posted by: bendy Sep 25 2017, 12:16 PM

Slightly odd question but if I 'cast' dominate at a target do I automatically know if it's successful or not or do I need to ask them to jump up and down or something first just to see wink.gif



You don't know.


Posted by: Cildan Sep 30 2017, 12:54 PM

If as a brown wizard you path to witch, would you only be able to cast neutral or 'mantic neutral miracles?

It depends on your alignment. If you are neutral then yes, if you are evil then only evil.


Posted by: graham1980 Oct 17 2017, 10:42 AM

do specilialist slots acquired fomr different sources stack, such as a sorceror buying +2 slots as warlock them MC to wizard and buys +5 slots??

It depends, but in that example no.


Posted by: BennyB Oct 21 2017, 10:01 PM

I'm a little confused about how the faerie ability "Chaos" works...
The description:
Innates (but not colours) are chosen at the beginning of each adventure.

So if I were a faery with my innates of:
4 x disintegrate ® (2mp black)
4 x bind (3mp brown)

Can I?
A) Choose a different 2mp black and 3mp brown innnates
4x venom (2mp black)
4x magnetise (3mp brown)

cool.gif Have to keep the levels
I.E.Choose four 2mp black innates and four 3 mp brown so
2x venom & 2x disintegrate ®
1x bind & 1x magnetise & 2x entangle

C) Don't have to keep the levels, but can't move them between colours
I.E. Choose 8mp of black innates and 12 mp of brown
1x Dancing venom sword
2x Summon gnome 'child'

D) Don't have to keep the levels and can move them between colours
I.E. Choose 20mp of black and brown innates
10x Disintegrate ®

E) Something else

I've always assumed A but I thought I just wanted to check...



Option A


Posted by: Phoenix13 Oct 25 2017, 11:43 AM

Can I be a ratfolk spy. In the race book it says that ratfolk can be spies but in the scout book it doesn't give the lifescale of a ratfolk spy.

They can and have same life as human.


Posted by: JamesC Oct 30 2017, 10:35 PM

Lets say you had 6 DAC and 6 MAC and bought the ability of immunity to bruising DAC + MAC

If you are hit with a pure magic single or a physical single are you immune to bruising with them through this ability or would you also need to also buy the relevant individual bruising immunities?

It depends what the immunity to bruising says. The published immunity to bruising using DAC, MAC and SAC specifies that it is vs pure mantic blows, as an example.


Posted by: Harrumph Nov 7 2017, 05:33 PM

ok, sorry if this is too character speicific.

I am a first class warrior subclass
I have entered the wizard bracket as a one liner restriction to a one liner ability - so no life scale is specified.
Can I start buying elols at the lowest possible wizard life level 1/1?
And can i then buy darkbanes bodybuilding class to make them 5/2?

or do i need to points app the ability to buy elols at all first?

If this is too character specific is there some general guidance?


You can't buy them until you take lessons from Dark Bane.


Posted by: Cildan Nov 8 2017, 01:39 AM

With the spiritual restrictions removed from dwarves, can they be pure priests?

No they can only be warrior priests.


Posted by: miles Nov 8 2017, 10:43 PM

When buying Immortal, when do you start to get the restriction on inflicting physical damage, is it at level 4 when you have over 1/2 effect physical damage or post 6th when you buy full immunity to the whole power base?


When you go above 1/2.


Posted by: Netheril Nov 9 2017, 12:32 PM

If you have a permanent 50% reduction off all damage, does that apply to casting damage? I suspect not, but best to be sure... smile.gif



Nothing applies to self inflicted damage unless it specifically says it does.


Posted by: Forefallen Nov 11 2017, 07:20 PM

Adding to Miles' question

When you go above 50% damage reduction to a power base (e.g Immortal Lvl 3+) you become restricted on how much damage you can inflict with that power base.

Is this the same with temp damage reductions? E.G If I had 1/2 all colours off the tables, am I limited to how much damage I can inflict with a magic sword?

Thanks, Jack

No. It's just blanket powerbase restrictions that trigger it.


Posted by: will1890 Nov 12 2017, 10:54 PM

Can hospitiallar’s dismiss undead as still stay a hospitialar after. In turn, not braking the restrictions.

Thanks will.

Normally yes they can, but that's not to dismissing undead couldn't brak them (so dismissing someone that has been animate life'd for example).


Posted by: Phoenix13 Nov 18 2017, 07:12 PM

Can my seer still be a circle member and be part of the everlasting dark as the circle restrictions say that you can't worship and the everlasting dark says about worshipping belthraxian but it says in a non religious way.

If no then I have to make a choice of the circle or the everlasting dark.

The circle restrictions are about worship.
So if you are in everlasting dark and worship Belthraxis then you are breaking the edicts.


Posted by: JamesC Nov 21 2017, 09:52 PM

If a scout tinker multi classed warrior priest uses a cache as a weapons would that be considered as drawing blood for the purposes of spirit use?

Warrior priest is fine. Pure priest no.


Posted by: BBB Nov 22 2017, 11:47 PM

Can 2nd Class Spirit Warrior's Multi-race Titan or is it 1st Class Spirit Warriors only?


First class only. And its a race so not covered by going to 8th.


Posted by: Alasdair Nov 28 2017, 10:14 AM

I am interested in Immortal and the bandaging from Soldier (Warrior Tradition). This is for an elf...

Bandaging is physical 1pt curing. At what point does this stop working as my warrior goes immortal?

A) At level 1, because it is a flesh & blood effect?

cool.gif At level 1, because with 5/6 FX rounded down means bandages do 0 healing (but still staunch bleeding, which is now irrelevant)

C) At level 4, since then I am taking less than half effect so generally that seems reasonable for "things stop helping".

D) another, please explain.

And would it be reasonable to points app something like "enchanted bandages" - bandages which are enchanted (such as those I start the day with) will be sufficiently empowered to bind my essence together even as my physical form diminishes, such that the effects of bandaging become magical on elves /self only.



It's level one, and its not impossible.


Posted by: BBB Nov 28 2017, 04:38 PM

If the option for certain standard Multi-Races to sacrifice their 7th and 8th slot to take another appropriate standard Multi-Race as a Multi-Class is used does it require a free Multi-Class slot as well or does it just use the 7th and 8th Multi-Race slot?

Also does the 2nd Multi-Race option clash with taking a Multi-class to 6th?
I.e do you need to complete a Multi-Class before starting on the 2nd Multi-race or need to complete the 2nd Multi-Race before you can start on another Multi-class.


It just used the 7/8 slot and is all fine.


Posted by: JamesC Dec 1 2017, 02:58 PM

If I'm L/N and have 10 spirits worth of goodly miracles on my neutral hermit list aligning me to good, can I buy new goodly universal miracles post 8th from the tables?


Same conditions, if I specialise into a minor and major sphere do they have to be neutral ones or can I have a goodly minor/major?

You can pick any sphere. Just your alignment is relevant for what you can learn. So in the above case Good and neutral miracles

What are the restrictions on spiritual and magical item use on a priest that paths to wizard? For example can I still use my +0 spirit mace if I path to wizard, if I do can I use an item of wall of stone?

Pathed means you can only use items of your own alignment and own colour.

Are the restrictions the same if the priest multi-classes to wizard?

[/i] Utilise spirit item doesn't change, an y ou get utilise magic item as a wizard of your colour.

Lee [/i]

Posted by: Ironcore Dec 3 2017, 11:15 AM

Tinker ability,

2 mins time in fiddling with a piece of Master Crafted armour can improve durability, making it immune to Accuracy versus PAC.

Is this dungeon temp or should it be recorded on armour card after dungeon if perm?

thanks, Andy

Just lasts the dungeon.


Posted by: iainwimble Dec 4 2017, 11:41 PM

If a Dwarf has got Scion Of Primus do they gain 2 levels vs physical stopping effect ?.

Also if they gain Primal Binding do they gain 2 levels of resistance or 1 level of resistance.

Thanks Iain

2 vs physical, and if you buy bindings it becomes + 1 vs everything instead.


Posted by: graham1980 Dec 5 2017, 11:38 AM

Can Draconians make use of the ability "woven robes" as it states that is specifically includes characters that could not normally wear armour?



Posted by: JamesC Dec 6 2017, 02:11 PM

If you are in mana/spirit/mantic form as per the spells and you are using UAC is the powerbase of your damage still physical or does it change to the appropriate type?

Unless you have something to say otherwise (EG strike the heart) it stays physical so you can't inflict damage with it.


Posted by: bendy Dec 7 2017, 10:42 AM

If you have a permanent reduction in spirit cost, say -1 off comm tree miracles as a result of spiritual diviner then does this reduce the cost of buying the relevant innate. Thought I had seen a post saying it does but may have been dreaming.


You were dreaming, so less cheese.
Druids have an ability that lets them do it so you may of been thinking that.


Posted by: Phoenix13 Dec 11 2017, 12:35 AM

I have a fairy and it says about 2nd and 3rd LVL spells from the chosen colours I was wondering if i can use a 3rd LVL slot for a spell that's lower LVL.



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