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Posted by: MarkCox Nov 19 2010, 03:00 PM

Please use this thread to ask the GSM a question!
This is for general questions rather than specific character stuff.


Posted by: SamR Sep 14 2014, 09:44 PM

Do you get to know what a dying effect is before choosing whether to apply your resistance to dying effect?

I think you should as it is pretty boring being on the floor for 5 minutes, its rubbish when there is an OOC lottery in choosing and it leads to stupid scenarios like elves having to fall over for 5 mins to a spiritual stairway to death?

Surely you get hit by the firestrike or whatever and can choose to suck it up or fall over for 5 mins.


It's never been written down. My personally opinion on how it should work is you are aware of the dying effect and can decide at that point to apply it or not. No working out how much damage you take and if it would kill you or not. Just a "You take this dying effect, do you want to fall over?" Yes/No answer. Sort of like a retro really. Not doing it this way is basically just a bit rubbish with the way the system has evolved.


Posted by: iainwimble Feb 16 2015, 01:27 PM

In the new Almanac it list the Hollow Bone Goblin tribe can play Forest Guardians and Leywalkers but not the base life.

Any chance can have the life's for these goblins.

Thanks Iain

Leywalkers use life as a Silverfolk Spy (35/12 at 8th) and forest guardians and Forest guardians have life as a Goblin pathfinder (39/15 at 8th)


Posted by: SamR Jan 3 2017, 04:21 PM

Do all abilities that require prep time require that ability to be used immediately following the prep or can they be 'stored' up for later? Examples of the top of my head include: strike death blow, affinity with nature, flick of the wrist, mighty strikes and permutations but there are many more.


yes they do scorpion. Concentration also can't be done when being hit/actively parrying monsters or the like.

I also remind people about the rules for locs being severed applies to corpses.


Posted by: draco Mar 1 2017, 05:02 PM

What is the consequence of being level drained with regards to life, power, resistance and casting levels?

How long does it take to come back?

Everyone will hate you now for asking this but:

You lose a level from you base class. For system and battle-boarding ease this means:

Your level of casting is reduced by 1 (so a 1st class priest can't cast 8th lvl miracles).
You lose a level of resistance
If your base life is from your base class it drops.
Your maximum power for power uses if reduced (so an 8th level warrior priests with 24 spirits, drops to 6th, his max spirits becomes 18).
If the ref is brave enough you lose supernatural innates (so neuronics, AP, etc.), but often this is easy to do.

They are earnt back like levels, so if I am reffing it's about 10 encounters to get one back, but depends on the situation.


Posted by: FlorenceWarren May 19 2017, 12:22 PM

If you've bought the Spiritual Vessel MR, can you still cast a Spirit Invis? And if yes, what would be the effect of that spirit invis?

Is it the same as before, you're just immune to all Spiritual effects? or does it (Like Paul reckons) either act as a sort of vanish animate and you stop existing for the duration, or does it just kill you?

Thanks in advance

You can't cast it as you are spirit only.

As a general rule you need to have "hits" (as in can take damage from" at least one power base. So no being Immune to physical damage (immortal), casting spirit invis, mind barring, and casting earth shield for example.


Posted by: BBB Jul 21 2017, 01:10 PM

The Priest Status: Witness of Hidden Secrets

The “Detect Life” ability (assuming it’s not a typo and meant to be Detect Lie!) how does it function? 20’ range like other Detect abilities or is it more a 1” discern?

Is it supposed to have a verbal?

(OK, so I'm entirely willing to buy the whole status just for the spirit point reduction as both my neutral priests but it would be nice to know what the rest of it does! smile.gif )


It's a typo as mentioned in another thread, so is Detect Lie.

Posted by: Forefallen Aug 16 2017, 07:57 PM

Wind dancer life at 8th is 51/15, but 7th is 48/16, is this a typo and it's meant to be 51/17?

You have 29/9? or more sensibly 51/17 is correct.


Posted by: TheOG Dec 17 2017, 09:19 PM

Hi Lee

In the Lucky Dip this year, I got Priest status 'Learned One'. I think there might be a typo...

Stage 2 - Scrolls from this status can not be advanced miracles on the character's list.

Rather than not, should that reaad 'now'?





Posted by: iainwimble Dec 21 2017, 11:25 PM

I just noticed the below:

The Very Well Equipped muti class is only available to Scout Subclasses and Witchs but in the Witch’s Muti Class costs have no costings.

So what are the costings for Witchs to take the above muti class?.

Thanks Iain

They can, and good spot. Let's go for same costs as Thugs.
But if you have a strong option character then might be cheaper by points apps.


Posted by: Sharperoc Feb 7 2018, 11:55 AM

The races book I'm looking at states 'Athfanal may join professional guilds with the guild masters permission, and they may only belong to Athfanal social or professional guilds'

Should the second part read 'may only belong to Athfanal social or political guilds'?

While I'm on Athfanal, are you able to clarify what the benefits of 'Skinning' are? Unable to find anything clear on it in the books other than 'allowing animal hides/fur to be turned into armour', presumably this means people without the 'skinning' skill can't?

Yes should be Social or Political.
Basically correct. You can skin a wolf/bear/balrog and turn it into armour and wear.


Posted by: Harrumph Feb 13 2018, 08:44 PM


Combat agility - first jump in a series of jumps - you are may not be struck during the jump

Is the important bit the first jump or the series of jumps

e.g. if I have the ability and I jump once but don't jump again quickly afterwards am I not able to be struck? or am I not able to be struck only if I do more than one jump in quick succession?

sorry if it is a small point and totally obvious


So you use a jump and can't be struck. If you jump again you can be struck.
There needs to be a definite break in the jumps for it to restart, so not jump, run two steps and then jump again.


Posted by: iainwimble Feb 26 2018, 11:20 PM

Ok right I know that a Troll cannot benefit fully from 1/2 effect Fire from Table 3 but can they benefit from the below stuff to gain 1/2 Fire.

Walk Though Fire spells
Resist Fire (Druid Evocation)
Neuromastery Fire (Self)

Thanks Iain

correct except trolls can't have neuronic.


Posted by: bendy Mar 5 2018, 11:00 AM

Not that I'm planning on playing an evil priest anytime soon but with regard to Summon Vampire it says the vampire can turn into a bat, rat and wolf at will.

In these forms can they do any damage? (am guessing not)

Do they retain the hits the vampire had when it transformed?

Can they be harmed in these forms (kind of thinking they could be subject to range attacks but probably not touch / blows as tricky to hit a rat etc)



It's all a bit vague but:
Wolf - You can probably fight and be hit normally.
Bat - You are a flying bat so can't hit people and can fly
Rat - Like a bat, but rather than fly can fit through small holes.

Otherwise yes they retain the hits and stuff.


Posted by: dhurrell Mar 7 2018, 09:15 AM

Scout “recognise” abilities - eg neuronic, EP, spirit

I’m spiritless - can I recognise spirit? Assuming not, as says as per priest ability which would be a spiritual info effect?

I buy vessel of the dragons MR (the ‘magic only’ one, I think that’s what it’s called!)

Do I at some point lose the ability to recognise neuronics and EP I’d owned?


They are the relevant powerbase. Same is true for scholar now.

So magic only means only rec mana.


Posted by: Alasdair Mar 9 2018, 10:40 AM


All priests can MC Spiritual Vessel.

A spirit warrior buying this MC... as written they can use and benefit fully. Thus they can cast from the separate spirit pool. And there is nothing written about sharp weapon restrictions.

Could a Sp Warrior with a bastard sword (say) therefore buy and benefit fully. Or is there some 'missing wording' requiring spiritual choice, blunt weapons, etc. Guessing it is fine as written, but wanted to check.


[I] No as written Spirit warriors can't have spirits unless they buy the ability to, so can't use the spirits.

Lee [/I}

Posted by: TheOG Mar 9 2018, 11:42 AM

QUOTE(iainwimble @ Feb 26 2018, 11:20 PM) *
Ok right I know that a Troll cannot benefit fully from 1/2 effect Fire from Table 3 but can they benefit from the below stuff to gain 1/2 Fire.

Walk Though Fire spells
Resist Fire (Druid Evocation)
Neuromastery Fire (Self)

Thanks Iain

correct except trolls can't have neuronic.


Where does it say trolls cannot? (Evo races? OC?) I couldn't find it within the current rules)


It seems to be an omission. trolls can't learn Neuronics.


Posted by: TheOG Mar 9 2018, 12:11 PM


There is a massive disparity in the information for playing a half troll between Realm of Glass and Evolution: Races.
This being the case, which post 8th list is to be referenced?



Evolution Races is correct, except for the fact they still can't learn Neuronics.


Posted by: Stuart Mar 9 2018, 05:09 PM

Can an Ishmaic High wizard:

1. Carry a magical glaive, and
2. Parry with it?

The descriptions of Ishmaics and Glaives seem very keen to let them have them. And is it a short spear, or dagger with a long handle for system purposes?


Glaive is a short spear.

You could carry a glaive, but still couldn't parry with it as you can't use weapons.


Posted by: JamesC Mar 9 2018, 11:13 PM

Are Traditions and Status the same thing.

The new warrior book states you can have one tradition, later it states you can have one status. Is it one or the other or can you now have one of each?

They are different.
You have a tradition slot.

You can buy A warrior status from the book, or get a non-standard version of one.

You can then have other statuses, such as KotL/other guilds etc.


Posted by: JamesC Mar 9 2018, 11:25 PM

If a spiritless creature with a magic shield blocks a pure mantic quad, what happens?

He blocks it.


Posted by: Ironcore Mar 11 2018, 08:21 PM

Hi Lee,
Can a Dwarf warrior with Privileged tradition m/c Power Warrior? It's says they're are in the warrior bracket only.
I can't see Power Warrior as m/c option for any other classes.(may have missed it though)

Thanks Andy

Yes but it is a points app as you are correct its not published.


Posted by: bendy Mar 12 2018, 10:02 PM

Just a quicky. When doing a proper path (ie non mancer) can you now choose any colour matching your alignment or is it still white for goodly and black for evil?


No you pick a relevant colour.


Posted by: BBB Mar 12 2018, 10:33 PM

Do Items gained by Guild Abilities (e.g. such as the ISP from DORAC) or from points abilities (e.g. Adventurer Multiclass) use up Item Slots for characters restricted in the number of items they can have (e.g. Paladins, Monastic)?


Guilds, CC and similar yes on item slots and are items.
Own spent points no on item slots, but might be items (EG Adventurer) for monks/similar.


Posted by: graham1980 Mar 14 2018, 11:56 AM

It says crol can only be fire, air, water or earth mages and cannot cast grey, however it does not say anything about learning other colours. So i was wondering if they can learn other colours as specialists or are they entirely limited to red, blue, green or brown.


Red, Green, Blue, and brown is it.


Posted by: JamesC Mar 14 2018, 12:03 PM

Armour Mastery states that it is applied before AC.

Assuming you have PAC 12, 6 points of AM and Imm. to Bruising PAC if hit by a triple I assume you still take 1 point of bruising.

If that is true why is it written this way as normally the numerical comes after AC.

It is probably just a flavour wording thing (I don't have the exact wording on me). The rule is:
Fractional and percentile.


Posted by: Netheril Mar 17 2018, 10:25 AM

Can you use items of +x casting levels for learning spells?

And if so does the spell stay learned when the item blows up, if that would mean you no longer have the casting levels required to have learned it?



Nope, only your own permanent abilities.


Posted by: Netheril Mar 17 2018, 10:36 AM

Damage reductions, I should probably know this by now, but still not 100% sure how it works!

So I get the one numeric, one percentage and one fractional.

But the fractional sometimes seems problematic. I -think- the rule is that if one of the damage reductions is conditional it will stack with a universal damage reduction, as per the following examples, but just want to be sure:

I believe that I can stack my 1/2 effect to mantic effects from a spiritual source and my resistances to causing/spirit bolt, etc together, even though both are fractional. But can I stack 1/2 effect black/bronze/whatever and 1/2 effect mantic effects from spiritual source?

Not as sure, but think I can stack 1/2 effect grey with 1/2 effect dispels?

If I get hit by a black mana weapon blow from behind, can I stack 1/2 effect black with 1/2 damage blows from behind? (am magic only obviously)

Think the above examples will cover any other such instances I'm not sure of. Hope clear enough?



Weapon blows = 1 fractional, but!!!
Resistances will stack if relevant.

Effects = Resistances, but they broadly stack in most ways. So 1/2 fx mantics and black and causing is fine.


Posted by: graham1980 Mar 20 2018, 04:43 PM

Can Grinner MR to Hobgoblin as they are a sub race of goblin??



Posted by: graham1980 Mar 20 2018, 06:41 PM

If a hobgoblin take poisoner, does the cost reduction in immunity to poison stack... ie become a 75% discount,

i am assuming not but just wanted to check



Posted by: graham1980 Mar 22 2018, 09:58 AM

Is the shifts granted from Deci assassin physical or magical?? I am wondering if they can be used by say somone with brute?


They are magical innates.


Posted by: Phoenix13 Mar 25 2018, 08:22 PM

Can a hermit neutral priest split his spirits so for example 30 evil 30 neutral or 20 good and 40 neutral if so what limit are the evil or good spirits?

they function as per the rules in words from abobe.


Posted by: miles Mar 26 2018, 10:55 AM

If you take multi class warrior to 8th, would buying the published 3pts armour mastery sharp and blunt (300points total) count as only 1 slot or would each purchase require a 1st class slot?


Sharp and blunt are seperate abilities.


Posted by: bendy Mar 29 2018, 08:17 PM


If I make say a monster pts item of 9/3 life then is this a magic item and if so what color?

If I can only use say black Mana items does this mean I can't use say an item of 1 dac?


i think this is basically character specific. Check based on the character.


Posted by: AJull Apr 2 2018, 11:36 AM

What happens to the evil priest when an embodied undead is either dismissed or destroyed, are they harmed?

Andy J

it depends on the power up. In general it has a bad effect on them.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 3 2018, 09:06 AM

Does the warrior ability "immunity to accuracy through pac" grant immunity to blade sharpening or is it litterally only the ability accuracy??


It grants immunity to accuracy in all its forms, including blade sharpening.


Posted by: JamesC Apr 3 2018, 10:27 AM

Armour Layering question:

If you have MC Plate over MC Chain granting PAC 10 where the chain is +0 spiritual and the plate is +0 magical how is damage calculated regarding pure blows.

Is it per effective piece of armour or does the layering come into effect?

Also would someone with a casting metal restriction suffer from the chainmail?

You apply the armour that has the relevant power base. Layering only matters if both have it.

All non-magical metal applies to metal restrictions.


Posted by: Cildan Apr 9 2018, 09:46 PM

Could a dwarf warrior priest step change to another priestly class of they wanted to?

Not standardly


Posted by: Alasdair Apr 13 2018, 11:27 PM

If I buy the 20pts ability to be equipped with a suit of armour, and use this for skins, what AC can I battleboard?

X+2 (mastercrafted)

What is X?


So it's not really amour.... but I'm willing to go with 4. (so 6 is master crafted).


Posted by: Elferrick Apr 14 2018, 08:28 AM

If you have "live to minus x first time needed" as an ability, then get an item of the same can you use both.
If yes, how would it work

It all depends what they'd say but exactly, but if its Survivor/similar and the published item when you would need any live to they both kick in. So say 6 from "Ability" and 6 from "item" for 12 total.
Two items wouldn't stack, but abilities probably would in line with above.


Posted by: Netheril Apr 16 2018, 11:15 AM

Can the "craft speciality type" ability be used for teaching scrolls?

And does it stack with all the other teaching scroll abilities? Making a total of +8% available from published tables abilities?



Yes it can and yes it does.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 20 2018, 06:07 PM

Can the healing ability from demons bound MR be used on non vitea infused enimies, as presumably slayer cannot.

yes it can. Slayer just does very little potentiay.


Posted by: Helsvell Apr 22 2018, 10:22 AM

If you have an item of spiritual live-to-minus first time it is needed and an item of magical live-to-minus first time it is needed how do these interact:

Option 1: Both kick in first time they are needed and you need both magic and spirit damage to die.
Option 2: One one kicks in and the player gets to choose - the other is wasted.
Option 3: One kicks in the first time it is needed, the second kicks in the second time it is needed and the player gets to choose the order.

Option 2. You can generally only have one "live to minus kicks in 1st time" type thing.


Posted by: stomperwombat Apr 24 2018, 09:24 AM

As I understand when playing a Dwarven Wizard you get half the mana of a normal Wizard, but if you take all extra mana from the tables at 40 points ago is this halved again or do you get the full amount of mana per table?

Also is there a better chance at making stuff when playing a Dwarven wizard?

There must be some advantages to out way the lack of Mana.

Thank you


You get half mana full stop, it is painful.
There are a couple of abilities that you can buy for extra % on makes.

It is basically a bad choice class, much like a 1/2 elf priest.


Posted by: graham1980 Apr 24 2018, 06:44 PM

When MR to hob goblin, does the increased life scale apply from class to class or is it only for the Base class of the character,

For example, Goblin scout MR to hobgoblin 6 gaining base 41 base life, then MC to warrior, would his life increase to 6th level orc warrior @56 or stay at 41??


Applies class to class, but remember goblin restricitons.


Posted by: Forefallen Apr 24 2018, 09:00 PM

If you hear something out of character that you haven’t been told in character, can/should you take that knowledge in character?

It all gets tricky. So broadly don't abuse it:

So you have someone tied to Thimon and hear loads of people talking about how they burnt down the Watch house in Thimon on their dungeon today in the pub. It's probably ok to assume that you know a watch house got burnt down.
You hear people talking about how they broke in to a nobles house and stole his items then it's not ok.

A little common sense really.


Posted by: Button88 Apr 25 2018, 03:27 PM


If one becomes immune to all but a particular powerbase does that mean I could only interact or operate within that powerbase.

Example: I take vessel of the dragons to 6th level meaning I now only take damage from magic. Does that mean I can only interact with the world through magic, so I couldn't use mundane weapons or benefit from spirit or earthpower healing, or is it more extreme that I can't physically interact with the world at all, or is it simply that I only take damage from magic.


You are immune to all bar magic. So EP healing, Spiritual healing. You can only use a magic weapon, can't wear normal physical armour etc.


Posted by: Button88 Apr 28 2018, 07:19 PM


If a warlock multiclasses wizard do they still have combat only casting restriction's?


Nope, they can cast as a wizard then.


Posted by: Christine Apr 29 2018, 02:13 PM

Is the new Primal Strength figure for Scarlene an error?

At present it shows as 46 at the start, +2, ending in 28. I suspect this should be 48 smile.gif


Should be 48


Posted by: Orlock Apr 30 2018, 12:14 PM

May I ask what the life increments would be for a Dwarf Warrior Priest MC to Spiritual Healer please ?

Many thanks as always for your effort and patience,

As published, dwarves going classes do badly on loc life smile.gif


Posted by: bendy May 1 2018, 09:36 PM


If you path from a priest to a wizard can you purchase and use the 50 pts ability +5 specialist slots? If so presuming these aren't able to be cast mantically without an app?




Posted by: Button88 May 5 2018, 07:27 PM


Winter Elf Warlock multi-racing winter barbarian. There is no listed cost so I assume it is non-standard only? If not then what would the cost be?


It is indeed non-standard, because of how Warlock/Witchdoctor works. You'd have a few options on it.


Posted by: JamesC May 9 2018, 12:28 PM

Two questions if I may:

1) After going Vessel of the Dragon is all damage bar pure magic hard capped or can you use a +0 magic sword with appropriate abilities to go above quad despite its physical component?

2) If a blue/red fairy goes chromatic grey wizard can s/he use brown and green spells?

1 is easy, and published. you can use a +0 physical/magical sword, but the person gets to apply their best from PAC/MAC to it and DAC, but you can only inflict magic damage.

2 a little more complicated.
A wizard has an opposite colour, a fairy doesn't. So in the case you give you are fine. But if you were a brown wizard you couldn't use Blue innates.


Posted by: 5h1v May 14 2018, 10:54 PM

What are the rules for spirit stores? How many can you carry and how much power can they give you?

They are in the ISP book, but here you go:

Items which grant extra power do stack with one another, but to a maximum of +12 power from a given powerbase of a given type, and a maximum of +24 power over all pools from the same powerbase (e.g. one could have +12 mana & +12 red mana, or +8 red mana, +8 blue mana, +8 grey mana).

Items that grant an existing power user more power simply grant them more power. This power can be used just like normal, can be meditated back and so on and so forth, with the set restrictions on what can be cast from it (if appropriate). The exception to this is Regenerating power stores, this power forms a separate pool that allows effects to be cast from. It cannot be combined with a person’s normal power, so a 4 point regenerating power store can only cast things that cost 4 or less power.


Posted by: BBB May 17 2018, 07:12 PM

The restriction on Flow of the Divine states: “May not regain spirits except Via Supreme Sacrifice (or similar) for 3 hours after using…”

If you use it to regain spirits in your main pool does it then also prevent Vessel Spirits from regenerating if the spirits medded back were from your main pool.


All regaining of spirits.


Posted by: Forefallen May 20 2018, 11:13 PM

If I, an elf, buy 1/2 effect gold mana off table 3, and am total healed by a mancer with gold mana, do I take 1/2 effect (36pts?)

Ta, Jack



Posted by: JamesC May 21 2018, 10:14 AM

If a dwarf somehow acquires the ability to gain magical innates from a multi class do you gain the full innates or half of the listed amount?

Depends on the case, but probably full innates (EG Elder Fey).


Posted by: Kail May 21 2018, 06:47 PM

In the races book trolls can buy +3 from +2 then +4 and so on. Should these all now be 1 higher as trolls get 3 innate PAC to start with?



Posted by: Will May 21 2018, 09:02 PM

I can add published reductions to mana cost when buying innates of spell. I am buying multiple innates of a stackable glyph. Expertise decreases by 1 for first casting and 2 for each subsequent. Which reduction to I buy innates at?

If the reduction has a condition it has to apply when you cast it.


Posted by: graham1980 May 22 2018, 02:47 PM

should a wizard purchase second colour, and then MC to disenchanter, does the level 1 ability of 2nd colour grey replace their 2nd colour or does it become 3rd colour or is it lost completly??
it takes your second colour slot. So you can't go it if you have already second coloured as a non-grey wizard.


Posted by: graham1980 May 22 2018, 06:53 PM

If a leywalker or militant forest gaurdian MC to druid, do they lose thier usual restrictions (ie 30 seconds to find a ley line and in the case of forest gaurdian buying at -2 tables)???

Yes for leywalker.
No for militant forest guardian as its an extra restriction you added by taking the ability.


Posted by: Button88 May 22 2018, 10:49 PM

Grey advanced spell transient artificing says that it enchants a "suit of armour" ... is this a location or an entire suit?


One suit, so all locations.


Posted by: Forefallen May 25 2018, 08:04 PM

How are Rogues limited to casting when it comes to Alignment?

must be evil to cast onyx, goodly for jade, goodly for sabre lt

How are Neutral Grey Wizards limited when it comes to alignment and Rainbow/A New Rainbow. (I am Chaotic Neutral) Can I cast Jade/Ivory despite being neither Goodly/Lawful if I have chosen 'A New Rainbow' and are casting the spell I have put in that specialist slot.
as rogue basically. If the spell/colour has an alignment restriction you need to match it.


Posted by: MattWest May 26 2018, 11:51 PM

Are casting restrictions from Combat Mage exactly the same as warlock casting restrictions?

Specifically, can a wizard who has bought Combat Mage cast combat-related informational spells if he has them, such as Tell Strength, if done directly for a combat purpose?

Yep anything directly combat related.


Posted by: Helsvell May 30 2018, 12:03 PM

Does a Sabre blast effect do locational damage to monsters? It is listed as a 6/1 blast for players but 2hits for a monster.

Lightning bolt is also listed as 24/4 and 8 hits to monsters..

It would be 3 blows for a hit to each loc though.


Posted by: miles Jun 2 2018, 12:59 PM

Monk restrictions to magic, do they apply to mantics, I assume so but you can never tell with mantics it has it’s own rules

Broadly yes.


Posted by: Sharperoc Jun 3 2018, 06:41 PM

A Pathfinder MC Stealth Mage has selected blue and picks up a bunch of different blue mana innates as a result, if they later decide to MC Wizard could they choose to be a Brown Wizard? Book states 'may not learn spells of an opposite colour to their own' and wasn't sure whether the innates would count against that?

you can't do it.


Posted by: Phoenix13 Jun 10 2018, 08:47 PM

For a Elf/faerie to hold anything at all does the items/objects need to be enchanted. Also what about if they contain magic already?

To use anything system relevant it needs to be enchanted or magical so:

Are the obvious three. Things like cutlery and plates are fine.


Posted by: jj420 Jun 23 2018, 10:40 AM

If a warrior has a set of mantic armour dose he need use spirit item for that armour to apply vs pure spirit blows?



Posted by: JamesC Jun 25 2018, 09:45 AM

Looking for a confirmation on Vessel of the Dragon.

The second buying option is other spiritless, looking to confirm that you don't need to be in the wizard bracket and just have to be an elf, fairy etc to buy this option?

Seems fairly obvious to me but a few people have told me you have to be a wizard to buy this option so thought I best check before I spend any points.

No it really is obvious. Other spiritless means Elves etc.


Posted by: graham1980 Jun 26 2018, 09:39 AM

if an alignment restricted race hermit priest takes fidning faith, may this take thier alignment into the restricted alignment, For example, a c/n ancient folk spirit warrior taking finding faith to join talthar becomes c/g??

Standardly no.


Posted by: graham1980 Jun 29 2018, 09:30 PM

do ancient folk have to pay extra to MR to titan??



Posted by: MarkD Jun 30 2018, 09:19 PM

1. Could I consider majoring in two spheres via buying the normal minor/major ability and then upgrading the major in one go, as two opposite abilities for purposes of grey warden cost reduction?


2. Angelic armour from angel touched grants 1/3rd off all damage from an evil source for 5 mins, would this apply to an evil bloke using a regular, physical sword?

Yep anyone evil hitting you in any way.

3. Contra mastery states "May not buy this if counter mastery is already purchased and vice versa." I assume this means it cannot be purchased both as counter mastery against maces and contra mastery against maces, rather than just being unable to buy both at all, but just wanted to make sure.

This is an error from the old books. you can.

4. Can walk through floors be used on the walk through floors granted by embodying angels/abashai?



Posted by: JamesC Jun 30 2018, 11:50 PM

Does buying Master of Celerity make you immune to regardless damage as if you had bought Fortitude and Celerity and there individual immunities?

General yes.


Posted by: JamesC Jul 2 2018, 08:55 AM

Looking for a mantic clarification.

Originally I understood mantic to be a combination of two powerbases that could effect both and be effected by both.

However I have come to understand that a pure mantic creature is unaffected by magic or spiritual damage as pure mantic seems to have become its own powerbase.

Does that mean that a pure mantic creature doing mantic damage can't kill something with last hit magic or spirit, or is it a I can hurt you but you can't hurt me situation?

Its in the books somewhere, but a mantic hit creature can do magic and spirit damage normally.


Posted by: Sharperoc Jul 2 2018, 11:38 AM

Available To: Rogues Cost: 80pts
May now cast grey Standard glyphs, as per a non-Grey wizard. Must still acquire these through teaching however, not bought with grulls.

Am I right in thinking post purchasing this I can just get a bunch of grey teaching scrolls made, which won't count against specialist slots.

Yep correct. Remember rules on learning dispels.


Posted by: Forefallen Jul 5 2018, 10:19 PM

Does AC count as a resistance?

For example 'Double, cuts through all your resistances'

Would 'Discern resistances to Magic Missile' grant the caster knowledge of a targets MAC as it resists the damage taken?

Thanks, Jack

No its A/C.
Depends on how the double is set as it is entirely non-standard.

Again depends on the ability as it is a non-standard.


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