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BenG
post Jul 28 2021, 08:23 AM
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Hi Guys

Just wondering whether anyone out there makes items which aren't spells/miracles/evocations etc but rather affect base stats like strength or even some of the tables abilities.

I'd love to get an item of strength - stacking or non stacking - but haven't seen anything like that mooted before.

I'm assuming therefore not but thought I'd check as I've only recently heard about Gordon's rather awesome boots! smile.gif

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post Jul 28 2021, 08:56 AM
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It's on my list of things to get too.

No one can make it that I am aware of.

Simon Power as Creed has a long list of things he can do such as 1/2 fx Colours of Magic.

A few people can make items of Casting Stamina.

My issue is with 2k sunk into makes already I can easily sink another 2-3k however in order to survive dungeons and play to get points I need to concentrate on actual on dungeon abilities for a while.


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post Jul 28 2021, 09:05 AM
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Thanks Gordon

Did wonder if that were the case!

Keep me in mind if that changes smile.gif
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post Jul 28 2021, 09:10 AM
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I have a handful of interesting things passed and ready to buy. The big two are bracers of 1 to sever (on the arms) and staves that grant you defensive technique. Watch this space!

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post Jul 28 2021, 11:20 AM
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Generally these are physical makes so being immune to F & B would preclude these benefits... I can make a large lung capacity item and other bits but the other comments are right, it's a huge investment in CPs.





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post Jul 28 2021, 03:18 PM
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Seems like crafting point apps maybe should be handled differently - true spending points (permanent removal) so you don't go up thresholds while spending 1-2k in points on non-dungeon related skills. Or maybe an app that makes all your non-standard off-dungeon crafting abilities free - but they maintain table threshold requirements and can only get 1 signed on per full day of active play. Don't know if Lee would go for that but seems reasonable with all the work gone into encouraging player crafting since the old days.
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Seems like crafting point apps maybe should be handled differently - true spending points (permanent removal) so you don't go up thresholds while spending 1-2k in points on non-dungeon related skills. Or maybe an app that makes all your non-standard off-dungeon crafting abilities free - but they maintain table threshold requirements and can only get 1 signed on per full day of active play. Don't know if Lee would go for that but seems reasonable with all the work gone into encouraging player crafting since the old days.
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post Jul 28 2021, 03:46 PM
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It's just a balancing act if you want to play the character of retire it and use other ways of getting them points to expand your repertoire.

For me I started making weapons because it was in my background and due to a cool Shadow Legion Guild Dungeon where I got a Weaponsmith who was hiring us to take me on as an apprentice.

As time went on I realised I had more weapons than I could really use and went into Armour. But I started making Magical Weapon, then Spiritual Weapons, then Physical and from there eventually Mantic so I am covering three power bases in one character.

But I specifically explored the ability to make things to fill gaps and weaknesses of being a Warlock and a Priest with no spirits.

If starting again I would approach things differently, but I specifically tried to do things from a class that isn't set up to do any of this.

Crafting is just another type of specialisation if you do it at the expense of everything else you have a specialised character that sometime just doesn't line up with a dungeon. It's about striking a balance and currently I am happy with how I have landed.

We have an infinite post 8th system so there is always something left to explore and like any rabbit hole once you start down it you find more to explore.


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Cast of 2010: Amorphus, Aqueous, Blaen, Godstone, Hex, Kessel, Mithaniel, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Vanderlaine & Void
Cast of 2011: Cyric, Hex & Prowl
Cast of 2012: Kessel
Cast of 2013: Amorphus, Golgari, Kessel, Marimar, Radiant, Strale & "Terry"
Cast of 2014: Amorphus, Hex, Godstone, Golgari, Ink-Eyes, Radiant & Strale
Cast of 2015: Amorphus, Karador, Radiant, Strale & Zaton
Cast of 2016: Zaton
Cast of 2017: Amorphus, Equinox, Godstone, Golgari, Hex, Karador, Prowl, Radiant, Variel & Zaton
Cast of 2018: Amorphus, Despair, Equinox, Golgari, Karador, Lannary, Prowl, Templeton, Vanderlaine, Void & Zaton
Cast of 2019: Amorphus, Despair, Kodai No Ha, Lannary, Prowl, Radiant & Zaton
Cast of 2020: Amorphus, Isamaru, Karador, Kodai No Ha, Lannary, Radiant, Strale & Zaton
Cast of 2021: Amorphus, Grizzled Wolf, Isamaru, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Wrynn & Zaton
Cast of 2022: Golgari, Ink-Eyes, Lannary, Leovold, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Strale, Wrynn & Zaton
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post Jul 28 2021, 04:13 PM
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Makers tend to have loads of items that they have either made themselves or bought with all the grulls they get from making.

It does balance out in the longer run.

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post Jul 28 2021, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(GuyV @ Jul 28 2021, 04:18 PM) *
Seems like crafting point apps maybe should be handled differently - true spending points (permanent removal) so you don't go up thresholds while spending 1-2k in points on non-dungeon related skills. Or maybe an app that makes all your non-standard off-dungeon crafting abilities free - but they maintain table threshold requirements and can only get 1 signed on per full day of active play. Don't know if Lee would go for that but seems reasonable with all the work gone into encouraging player crafting since the old days.


I disagree. Unique crafting skills have to be super highly regulated to stop massive early game power creep and ensuring that you need to weave them into a casters spend feels like its important to limiting how much you can do as a single character.

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post Jul 28 2021, 05:32 PM
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Agreed, I ran a campaign where Lee was playing his crafter. Multiple people were total heal capped via items and Lee's innates looked like power pools. It's a different way to play as you need to spend your profit but can be very strong.
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post Jul 28 2021, 05:36 PM
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Go hard early and suffer but long term do well

Avoid it all until retire character, make some money, when you rebrith you’re rich


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post Jul 28 2021, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(Dave @ Jul 28 2021, 06:36 PM) *
Go hard early and suffer but long term do well

Avoid it all until retire character, make some money, when you rebrith you’re rich


Having done just that I can say it work. Was almost embarrassing when, between items bought with grulls from makes and a cool rebirth, I had better basic stats at 300pts than when I permed at 3k...

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post Jul 28 2021, 09:51 PM
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Can I take a moment here to say MONSTER POINT ITEMS ROCK, folks.
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