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post Jun 24 2022, 12:26 PM
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See you later.

I'm not interested in being part of a society that accepts killing helpless children. I witnessed Emilio and Palewise do this yesterday. (and before we get started, the wyrmkin directly attacking weren't helpless!)

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post Jun 24 2022, 12:40 PM
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That's a strong accusation. Not saying I don't believe you, but I would very much like to hear from anyone else present, and obviously Emilio.

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post Jun 24 2022, 01:59 PM
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Personally, I'd prefer a discussion than accusations but I get emotions sometimes run high.

We had been fighting Afthenal all day, some strong warriors but most sneaky back-stabbers.

Towards the end of the day, perhaps the last thing we met prior to the place spirit where we concluded, there were some young afthenal. After some poor language from them, a check they were evil and after one of them (I admit on reflection, ineffectually) attacked our group, I struck that one individual young Afthenal. Others, then decided to kill the remainder (Not my place to name names, so I'll just speak for my actions here). At that point, I was concerned about completing the quest and felt, given we had been killing "young" all day, we were not making a differentiation.

I get you are now saying children that are attacking us with deadly intent are okay to kill but children with intent but not the skill should be shown mercy but that wasn't a conversation we had at the time to set and agree the boundaries.

We all told you that releasing those Croll would cause their deaths, but you insisted on doing so anyway and indeed they all died. Do I then vilify you for causing their death? No, I did speak to you directly and quietly, one-to-one about my view it wasn't the right course of action. So, I'd prefer you spoke to me in the same way but get sometimes, people need to shout their issues out loudly.

As stated above, I am more than ready to speak to you directly and hear your concerns. I am also in agreement, on reflection, a less deadly approach would have been better.

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post Jun 24 2022, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Jun 24 2022, 02:59 PM) *
Personally, I'd prefer a discussion than accusations but I get emotions sometimes run high.

I bet you would. Nothing
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Towards the end of the day, perhaps the last thing we met prior to the place spirit where we concluded, there were some young afthenal. After some poor language from them, a check they were evil and after one of them (I admit on reflection, ineffectually) attacked our group, I struck that one individual young Afthenal. Others, then decided to kill the remainder (Not my place to name names, so I'll just speak for my actions here). At that point, I was concerned about completing the quest and felt, given we had been killing "young" all day, we were not making a differentiation.

You murdered the harmless toddler once Palewise started murdering the others with shock spells. You both just wanted to conclude our hire as quickly as possible, with no consciounce.
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I get you are now saying children that are attacking us with deadly intent are okay to kill but children with intent but not the skill should be shown mercy but that wasn't a conversation we had at the time to set and agree the boundaries.

If you're talking about the small wyrmkin that were bigger than you and me put together, smashing us and eating cities. Then yes. You're tyring to worm out of this. This certainkly isn't what uyu said yesterday.
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We all told you that releasing those Croll would cause their deaths, but you insisted on doing so anyway and indeed they all died. Do I then vilify you for causing their death? No, I did speak to you directly and quietly, one-to-one about my view it wasn't the right course of action. So, I'd prefer you spoke to me in the same way but get sometimes, people need to shout their issues out loudly.

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I tried freeing some crol. So! Again, lies, you said they'd enter a rage, not that it would cause there deaths.


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As stated above, I am more than ready to speak to you directly and hear your concerns. I am also in agreement, on reflection, a less deadly approach would have been better.


Nope, I don't want anything to do with you or Palewise. If anyone else would like more information, an ogre called Trog, an ebony thing called Monty and a trbal called Shank were there. They're pretty active in the mercenary community.

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post Jun 24 2022, 08:36 PM
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I was there.

It was horrid

I was going to speak with Emilio about it directly but as this is all in the open, I’ll say my piece.

I only saw Emilio strike one of the little children and not actually kill one. Abhorrent but not deadly

The murdering that I witnessed was done by that disgusting Palewise creature. I certainly will not be frequenting his shops and would urge others to boycott him as well.

Were the children being aggressive? Yes but in the same way that a frustrated, angry toddler could be aggressive.

No attempt was made to find any other way of dealing with them and they were killed for the sins of their parents, the assumption that the parents being evil means that the children were not saveable.

I expressed my frustration to Emilio at the time and whilst I have also been reconsidering my membership of the OOM and my position as a previously a staunch supporter of Emilio’s leadership, I have decided not to leave just yet.

I have seen Emilio be supportive of a number of parties in which I have travelled and has saved many lives through his efforts. As such, I can’t condemn him utterly for that one, albeit horrible thing I’ve seen.

Loki, I must say that your decision to free the croll in the way you did, having been warned that they would then attack each other was not wise albeit that i recognise the intent. I’ve done stupid stuff in the past but please listen to others in future.

I would implore you Emilio, have more empathy in future, more faith that a young life can be saved by love and support rather than the sword.

Oh, and your sandworms point is moot, they were actively trying to kill us and would have been successful if the party had not defended itself. Not the case for the Afthenal.

Anyway, I wish to say no more on the subject other than the fact that I have faith that we can do better.

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