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post Jul 16 2019, 06:48 PM
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I have been gifted, I suppose, with the memories of one who once walked Primus; a man called Naga Yusaki Daimyo of the Snake clan and Warlord of the Shadowlands. With the recent actions of Lady Neko Warlord of Amlas in mind, I feel it is time to share that which I hold, the knowledge of a man who did his duty to the end regardless of risk to himself.
Before I talk of his final day, there is much to unload. These memories I wish to share have been disturbing to live with alone, although I know he had many friends and fought alongside them many times, whenever needed for the good of Primus.

Amlas is a place simple in its complexity; the fundamental system and importance of Honour overshadows all else. The very flow of the honour of Amlesians is what gives the emperor the strength to hold back the mists of the nact and to keep Amlas itself from disappearing.
This flow of honour starts with bowing from a peasant to the lord of the land. Refusal to bow to one another damages the land itself and endangers it. So, many a samurai have removed dishonourable peons heads to stop this damage being allowed to occur. There is absolutely no need, nor justification, to do this whilst not in Amlas, and anyone killing an innocent for not following a foreign code in other lands, whilst seeing unintended insult is abusing their status.

Naga himself has ordered entire villages to be put to the sword, due to a new religion coming into the lands. Sorcha took a foothold within Amlas and indeed is still there slowly eroding the very nature of the place. It was Naga’s view that to destroy all knowledge of this religion and keep the lands safe was imperative. This is one of many memories I am very unhappy to hold In my head.

He stood by while he watched many acts of dishonour. While on a task to discuss a peace treaty Lady Neko failed to win a duel and had to commit suppuku; yet instead of turning on the wheel of life, she allowed her dishonour to remain and for Toshi of the Crane clan to take the killing blow of that act leaving the stain of dishonour upon her.

Lady Dansu Daimyo of the Crane clan was another who he watched commit acts of dishonour, notably not enforcing bowing on her islands, thus preventing her peasants passing on the flow of honour. Unsurprising, given the memories I hold of her many rash actions that have ripped holes within Primus. Now she allows the Oni Toshi, her husband, to walk the lands freely and to corrupt and deceive as he goes.

I often find myself ruminating over the sword which caused so much strife and upset. Shadow Death dealer the sword to destroy Amlas, was found deep within the mountain by the COJ along with Naga and it was taken by Naga in order to safeguard it. Once it had been found, there was no immediately satisfying answer as to how to ensure that left where it was, it couldn’t be found again by those wanting to do Amlas harm. It was requested that the weapon be given to Ri’leck the Celestrial aspect of magic. While a lifelong friend of Naga, Ri’leck had abandoned the Snake and as a being of chaos was no longer, and could not truly be, trusted. From the day Naga took on the burden of keeping the sword safeguarded, until his death, he met with criticism and suspicion from those once his friends over doing so. Given the constant concern for the keeping of Shadow Death dealer while Naga lived, since his death no-one seems to care or speak of where this sword has ended up or what its fate is now.

If not for the fact that I hold these memories myself, then the apparent efforts of Yang-To the spy master of Amlas, would have been most successful. One must assume that only a man with his skill set could have achieved what has been done to try and stop the truth of these facts coming to light after Naga’s death. Naga had full awareness that his act to kill the Emperor would be his last, and so he had prepared letters to be sent out all over Amlas immediately upon notice of his death. Only Yang-To and the spy network of the Emperor could have coordinated successfully to stop this happening .

This then all leads me to tell of the final weeks and days of Naga. His responsibility was to hunt and kill the Oni where ever they stood, regardless who they were. It was his duty given to him by both the Emperor and also by the Celestial Emperor. At one meeting he attempted to kill Toshi the Oni who had made a pact with Kuldach the Lord of the Shadowlands, when they journeyed to the peace talks that transformed him from his path of light to the Oni and dark priest of the tryst that he is now. Naga tried to judge him as was his duty but was blocked by the other Daimyo and Neko for his actions saying that he had no authority to do so.

It was the loss of the trust of his friends, the inability to fulfil his duty, the obvious issues around what was perceived to be honourable and not, which lead to his final day. The Emperor would not allow Naga to carry out his duty to both himself and to the celestial Emperor, to outlaw all Oni in Amlas. These dishonourable creatures being the very thing that had always brought death and corruption to the lands, were being allowed to wander freely and walk amongst the clans, and protected. To Naga it was clear that he must act to once again bring balance to Amlas, to let the people know and understand the true risk and reach of the Oni.

He fought his way to the throne room and there as he stood before the Emperor he learnt the Truth of Toshi, an Oni who had made a pact with Kuldach for his own gain. He also heard the truth of the Emperor’s will and desire to allow these wretched beings to walk the lands. It was then that the goodly Emperor ordered the Kami and his guards to return, and inside that throne room to kill and restore Naga to life until he could no longer be restored. It was from here that Naga’s soul was taken, until it is returned and allowed to journey on the wheel he can never have a chance at restoring his honour.
How are these the actions of a goodly man, how is this honour from the Emperor?

Yusaki




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Letters sent between Naga and Toshi


Toshi

Before I start my journey there is still the matter of you to deal with.
I have a very simple solution in way of a pact, if you are true to your word about being loyal to Amlas and the Emperor then we shall seal it into a pact with lord blackheart.
Once this pact is complete then I will adjust the judgment that was made.
If you are happy then I will get the pact drawn up
Yusaki


Yusaki,
I am pacted by the Fates themselves to do my duty and no other. I will not risk taking a pact from a source from outside the Fates or the Emperor himself, that could endanger my Lands, The Council or my Clan. I have told you this before, and I tell you again, I am loyal to the Council and as long as they serve the Emperor and the Empire, so do I.
I am bound to protect the council and all within it, Man, woman, Fortune and Dragon, even Oni if they find a way into the council. and I do this because I am created to do it. End of story
In every version of my existence, I have served. This life is no different, I serve the Council. Even Seren has agreed with me, that should issues arrise between council and Church that I am allowed to do my duty within the council.
I will not put eggs in as many baskets as I can, because it comes back round to bite you, just as your pacts with our mutual masters has. Rescind this outlawing and exile, you know it is in violation of your pacts. Say what you will to save face to the others, but you are bound to do me no harm, directly or indirectly. You have already chosen to disobey the Emperor and become ronin, what face is there to save any longer, I have already made public that which binds you. Just do the right thing and let me get on with protecting those that choose to keep the land we love safe.
Should this not be acceptable, I will choose to go over your head and have the outlawing removed, there are many avenues still left to me, this is just the path of least resistance.
Toshimoko


Letters sent to the Emperor

My Lord
For many years I have followed my duty as instructed, defending Amlas from any supernatural threats , defending the Shadowlands and hunting down the Oni.
Oni are the living embodiment of Dishonour they will not and will never be safe to wonder the lands. The only way is for a oni to be reborn on the wheel for them to be embraced by honour and there dishonour cleansed if not there very presence brings a disease to the lands.
I had been with the council for a long time I have been concerned with there purpose. In the beginning the council was setup so the three clans could control the laws and have power across the land one that could be greater then your authority.
I have been concerned with there actions many times but have not had the status or duristriction to bring them to trial.
When we went to the mountains we found the cup of life, knowledge and a drop in the ocean there. Dansu was the only one with power to commune but instead of doing so drank from the cup of knowledge. The impact this had was ripping the very fabric of Amlas open and portals from the shadowlands opened.

On another outing the current Daiymo of the jade dragon made judgment when he had no status. This information was brought to Dansu but she did not view breaking the law was worth following up.
There is a Samurai of the ox that is a follower of the black wolf who has attended council meetings and cast insults at both dayimo, Samurai and bushi but no one seemed concerned and allowed for this insult.
The Sword , I have never wanted the sword but as the sword is a oni any of my actions around the sword cannot bring me dishonour as it was you that granted me this. That when the oni are involved I must do what is necessary to destroy them and keep the lands safe. So all my actions involved in the Sword cannot bring dishonour on myself or the clan or the lands.
I asked the COJ for council on the swords and the best soultion but they have not been interested in actually finding a way to destroy it and protect our lands.
Talk of combining the two swords was a option discussed by the whole council and was one on a path to find a way to destroy them. I fear this information has been greatly exaggerated.
The Oni known as Toshi is only loyal to the council as he has stated privately to me and not to you. He would not agree to a pact with myself do that he would never attack Amlas.
When the Snake left the council we made all previous alliances with members of the council null and void. Not every member of the treaty Panama who also signed have never had there access to my lands revoked just the lion, crane, jade dragon and Ox.
Ri’leck and the sword I cannot see how it is not safer to take the sword into the mists and become lost until he finds a way to destroy it. His solution carries risk where mine does not.
It is clear from my announcement that the COJ do not want what is best for the lands and are not interested in finding a way to destroy this weapon on the enemy but instead drive me from the lands and discredit the snake so we are weaker in your defence.
I will still do my juty and guard the lands and be gone for ever if I need to be. I will carry this dishonour from the lands while I search for those worthy of it’s guardianship or a way for it to truly be destroyed.
The Oni have started there move with the peace treaty and now with them no longer being outlawed will now be able to move freely across Amlas with Clans willing to harbour them they will wait and make there move then the dam will break and waters will flow.
I have a few finial preparations to make then will be gone from the lands shortly
Naga

Lord Naga,

The Emperor thanks you for your statements. it is a shame they were not forthcoming when requested.
The Empire is disappointed you are unable to follow the lenient sentence given to you, and hopes you will reconsider your actions or disagree in a more fitting manner than departing the lands.
With regards to your resignation, since you are refusing the Emperors ruling and turning your back on the Jade Code no resignation is required.

On Behalf of the Emperor



A Finial message

For those who do not know me; I was the one that waits in the darkness, that who they pray to at night to rid the land of monsters. I am the one to carry the dishonour of the land when others cannot. I am the one whose soul is tainted so others are not.
These lands are a balance of Honour and Dishonour. The heavens shine bright and the hells claw at us from the mists, ready to corrupt and destroy our lands.
The Oni are the embodiment of Dishonour. No matter what form they take, who they think they are or have become, they will always belong to him and by being what they are do his bidding. To allow them to walk in the lands allows his work to continue and Dishonour to spread.

Jade is life and the code you all follow;
Display who you are so your ancestors know you, to honour those that have come before you.
Be honest with those who you deal with; there is no need to lie or deceive when you have nothing to hide.
Be true to your word. If you make a promise you must live by it. Nobody should cheaply throw away their reputation by quick words. Our words are what bind us, our actions show what we truly are.
Do not break the law which bind our lands and build our great society.
Be courteous to your enemy. Take insults but do not throw them. Perhaps take tea together and talk for peace or restitution.
Do not let an insult go unavenged. Regain your honour, do not carry these blemishes without action.
Never betray your friends, lands, Lord or Emperor. It is with true loyalty and absolute trust that the strength can be found to topple mountains.


The lands currently have a sickness in its heart and the spread cannot be stopped; amongst the clans, harbouring the Oni, betrayal of friends. Our codes of honour are being swept away, the council choosing to bicker and snipe, failing to act when people ask for aid, and worst making peace with the enemy so others thought once friends are left isolated to fight on alone.
If you are reading this then I have failed in my duty to protect and save the lands from any threat that presents itself. It is unlikely I will be able to return, my soul has great debts to pay which were made to protect you and all you hold dear.
I say to you all now, look up and ask; are the ones above you acting with Honour, are they following the code in the way that they should? Are they the ones responsible for the disease that is spreading across the land?
For this I now know, our enemy is already here, disguised by honour and treaties of peace and friendship. There is a leak in the dam and it is only a matter of time until it cracks wide open and the enemy will flow across the land destroying all in its path. That time is I fear, too soon.

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post Jul 16 2019, 09:22 PM
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I will speak this once.

The peace treaty was requested by our lord emperor.

I gave of my life in suppuku to clear dishonor from our group so that the peace talks our emperor wanted could take place.

I am the voice of the Jade Council and it was formed not to rule the land as your memory suggests but to make sure the people of our lands are protected and the emperors will is done.

I remember not one time of my old friend asking for council nor help in finding ways to destroy the sword, if he had come to me or the council open and honest without the viel of secrecy and untrusting of his allies this whole story would have had a much different out come... one where my old friend did not assualt the halls of our emperor in an attempt to kill our lord but one where we could still enjoy talking over tea.

This whole issue saddens me, I lost a friend and our people are no better off for the sacrifice. But worst of all, now his memories are being fluanted in public and to what end? What greater purpose is this serving? I weeped for the loss of my friend and I weep again now for the unessasery trawling up of the most painful of times.

This whole board smells of pot stirring from somebody who wishes to grow discord in a land that is not his own... if you truly do have the memories as you claim.... what is it you remember of me I wonder?

I will thank you in one thing however. Thank you for the very well explained reason for the need of honor in our lands and the potential damage that a certain faith could do to the lands and all people on Amlas.

Riki,
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post Jul 17 2019, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(isbiraven @ Jul 16 2019, 10:22 PM) *
I will speak this once.

The peace treaty was requested by our lord emperor.

I gave of my life in suppuku to clear dishonor from our group so that the peace talks our emperor wanted could take place.

I am the voice of the Jade Council and it was formed not to rule the land as your memory suggests but to make sure the people of our lands are protected and the emperors will is done.

I remember not one time of my old friend asking for council nor help in finding ways to destroy the sword, if he had come to me or the council open and honest without the viel of secrecy and untrusting of his allies this whole story would have had a much different out come... one where my old friend did not assualt the halls of our emperor in an attempt to kill our lord but one where we could still enjoy talking over tea.

This whole issue saddens me, I lost a friend and our people are no better off for the sacrifice. But worst of all, now his memories are being fluanted in public and to what end? What greater purpose is this serving? I weeped for the loss of my friend and I weep again now for the unessasery trawling up of the most painful of times.

This whole board smells of pot stirring from somebody who wishes to grow discord in a land that is not his own... if you truly do have the memories as you claim.... what is it you remember of me I wonder?

I will thank you in one thing however. Thank you for the very well explained reason for the need of honor in our lands and the potential damage that a certain faith could do to the lands and all people on Amlas.

Riki,
Voice of the Jade Council
Advisor to the Jade Dragon Clan
Fortune of the Dragons
Order of Jade.


The memories I have of you Riki San are all positive of friendship and respect and I would love to meet the man behind them and share tea hopefully we could become friends.

The Sword was discussed here but no solution agreed on as the blackwolf was the pressing concern

Yusaki
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post Jul 17 2019, 09:59 AM
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I ask that the people of Amlas put aside their opinion of Naga in his past life and listen to the key message behind these missives.

Oni are not only present in our lands, in some places they are openly welcomed. They have taken the faces of loved ones, or have mouthed words of loyalty to win favour, but their nature belies the proposed truths that are uttered.

Truth can come in various guises, and I counsel my countrymen to take heed of the warnings uttered here.

The Oni are no longer behind the Wall. They are amongst us. This calls for a very different warfare than what we have fought before.

No Oni are allowed on my lands. Any transgression is a declaration of war that will be met with a closed fist and steel.

Be on guard, prepare your defences, and do your duty.

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post Jul 17 2019, 09:10 PM
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Right.

So you all talk about some high and mighty code of honour you all live by that protects the very fabric of reality but in short…

Sorcha hates bullies and some of you lot are the worse – it’s an excuse to cut the heads of eta but as soon as your own honour comes under question you all shy away from it and work on ways to get around it.

Let me get this right. So someone lost a dual - so had to commit Seppuku, to cleanse their soul and save the fabric of the world or whatever. While doing this... someone jumped in the way, and STOPPED the Seppuku...

So, the Seppuku didn't actually happen? So that honour is fucked right up? How is this ok? How does this even happen? I mean, I don't give a [----] about your rules, but it feels like you like to choose when they do and don't apply. At least I'm honest that I don't care for them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this... and someone owes the land some sort of pointless ritual suicide. Seriously, how do you even stop a ritual suicide? If you [----] up, make amends. Topping yourself isn't going to help anyone.

Anyway, next up - someone is an outlaw for killing a mercenary – their code of honour meant they couldn’t let an undead live (clearly not the kind of person who should be wandering about anyway) and if they failed to kill one they’d yet again have to top themselves.

The 'Undead' in question is a really powerful Baronial bloke who probably can’t be killed easily - but because he’s a nice kind man he chose to let himself be killed rather than the person with the ridiculous honour issues kill themselves… If that moral code on undead was such a big deal then accepting the pity of the creature to let you keep your life is just beyond a joke. How does this make any sense? How is your honour clear if the man you are honour bound to slay, lays his head before you, knowing full well if he chose, he could have survived, or not been there. Then, he dies and is back to life a day later... what was the actual point?? what exactly was achieved? Some sort of loose wording on the ritual rules of Sepukku?

You're all nuts, and a danger and liability to the mercenary community as well as the common folk of the land. At least mercenaries can defend themselves, or get reborn and start again. These poor peons don't get that chance. They just die. Forever.

It's time to stand up for them. No longer will they be oppressed.

Who's with me?

Max
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post Jul 17 2019, 09:58 PM
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I am mate - should have known one of the Faithful would cut straight to the point.

I've only ever been to Amles for a couple of hours (you know, mercenary mission with a travelling orb and what not - then off to Ishma to fight dangerous...well everything...) but in addition to the raw fish, the whole honour thing seems a bit bent - of the utmost importance one minute, but easy to get round the next? If you're going to do something do it properly right?

Don't even get me started on the whole "its ok to cut your head off Mr hard working farmer bloke because you didn't bow low enough and I just feel like it" - I mean thats like proper dead.

If one of the nobs tried that in Riverbend there'd be seven kinds of hell to pay.

Sounds very much like the common man is being oppressed by nothing more than a tyrannical and despotic rule with an outdated caste system to me.

Throw off the shackles of your dressing gowns my Amlesian friends (what are they going to do - cut your head off?)




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post Jul 17 2019, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(Carlo @ Jul 17 2019, 10:10 PM) *
Let me get this right. So someone lost a dual - so had to commit Seppuku, to cleanse their soul and save the fabric of the world or whatever. While doing this... someone jumped in the way, and STOPPED the Seppuku...

So, the Seppuku didn't actually happen? So that honour is fucked right up? How is this ok? How does this even happen? I mean, I don't give a [----] about your rules, but it feels like you like to choose when they do and don't apply. At least I'm honest that I don't care for them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this... and someone owes the land some sort of pointless ritual suicide. Seriously, how do you even stop a ritual suicide? If you [----] up, make amends. Topping yourself isn't going to help anyone.

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I believe, and it was not me that did it but it's potential something I would do. The person didn't physically step in the way, but used their training to take the Seppuku blow allowing the ritual to be performed fully but the person not to be slain forever as a result.

And the finaticles that go round chopping off heads are clearly not the norm. Otherwise there would be no one left! Bowing is a sign of respect, there are plenty of Imperial mercenaries that would do worse if you insulted them.

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post Jul 18 2019, 06:49 AM
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I believe, and it was not me that did it but it's potential something I would do. The person didn't physically step in the way, but used their training to take the Seppuku blow allowing the ritual to be performed fully but the person not to be slain forever as a result.

- You’re missing the point entirely. I understand what happened. Sounds like a total 'micky' take out of the ritual if you ask me.
“Oh look, I’m performing ritual suicide to cleanse my soul and save reality”
“Ah phew. Don’t worry. My mate just stepped in the way. All clear. What a relief”

Come on. That’s not ok.


And the finaticles that go round chopping off heads are clearly not the norm. Otherwise there would be no one left! Bowing is a sign of respect, there are plenty of Imperial mercenaries that would do worse if you insulted them.

- Well, you may be an advocate of bullying, and see life as so little that it’s ok to remove someone’s head for not bowing. But even if it isn’t ‘the norm’ - that doesn’t make it ok for when it does happen. Does it?

Maybe you think it does. But I’m a criminal (minor crimes, mostly clear) and a necromancer, and even I know that these acts are pretty messed up.

Max.
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post Jul 18 2019, 06:52 AM
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QUOTE(Carlo @ Jul 18 2019, 07:49 AM) *
I believe, and it was not me that did it but it's potential something I would do. The person didn't physically step in the way, but used their training to take the Seppuku blow allowing the ritual to be performed fully but the person not to be slain forever as a result.

- You’re missing the point entirely. I understand what happened. Sounds like a total 'micky' take out of the ritual if you ask me.
“Oh look, I’m performing ritual suicide to cleanse my soul and save reality”
“Ah phew. Don’t worry. My mate just stepped in the way. All clear. What a relief”

Come on. That’s not ok.
And the finaticles that go round chopping off heads are clearly not the norm. Otherwise there would be no one left! Bowing is a sign of respect, there are plenty of Imperial mercenaries that would do worse if you insulted them.

- Well, you may be an advocate of bullying, and see life as so little that it’s ok to remove someone’s head for not bowing. But even if it isn’t ‘the norm’ - that doesn’t make it ok for when it does happen. Does it?

Maybe you think it does. But I’m a criminal (minor crimes, mostly clear) and a necromancer, and even I know that these acts are pretty messed up.

Max.


Ps - some do gooder elementals have intercepted my missive and replaced a lot of bad words. Please be aware there were far more swear words intended.

Ta

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post Jul 18 2019, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(Padallen @ Jul 18 2019, 12:21 AM) *
I believe, and it was not me that did it but it's potential something I would do. The person didn't physically step in the way, but used their training to take the Seppuku blow allowing the ritual to be performed fully but the person not to be slain forever as a result.

Tirack


Tirack,
If you should dare to interfere with the sacred ritual that was designed to safe guard our home lands in my presence then I will have you executed. And if you should flee. I will hunt you down personally.

Lord Chu Shuten
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post Jul 18 2019, 09:08 AM
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Tirack

I thought you were a priest of light and mercy?

But yet you have just confirmed you are more than happy to condemn a soul to dishonour and for it to be tainted on its death. Not allowing it to be redeemed, for it to be always tainted by dishonour and sent to the hells? This cannot be fitting for someone of your Faith? Would Lady Towrin have done this? Would Kumo Harald Sama do this? What about your current High Priest Tirama?


Max

You are right; it's all baffling, trying to make sense of this all for my own state of understanding in sharing these memories. They haunt me. I see all the faces of those that Naga killed, the Peons and people he put to the sword. Of those of your faith that are viewed as a danger in Amlas whom he killed without hesitation, all because he was doing his duty. It makes it hard to sleep at night I feel your faith deserves an apology for all he did, even if its not my place as I just hold his memories. Yet all those nobles of Amlas continue to act in this way, they neither care about the dishonour on their lands, nor what their goodly Emperor has done with Naga's soul.

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QUOTE(cripple @ Jul 18 2019, 09:43 AM) *
Tirack,
If you should dare to interfere with the sacred ritual that was designed to safe guard our home lands in my presence then I will have you executed. And if you should flee. I will hunt you down personally.

Lord Chu Shuten
Snake Clan.

Lord Chu Shuten,

You know me better. I try to work within the law and honor codes.

I would not stop someone if that was their choice, I have watched way too many for my liking, but it is indeed not my place to stop them.

If with the right training I am able to allow my Lady to cleanse this dishoner, with the sacrifice taken by her then that would be her gift to give. The lands being safe and unaffected by this would be just as important as the saving of one life. I don't know if it is possible and it's not something I've looked into.

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QUOTE(Carlo @ Jul 18 2019, 07:49 AM) *
- You’re missing the point entirely. I understand what happened. Sounds like a total 'micky' take out of the ritual if you ask me.
“Oh look, I’m performing ritual suicide to cleanse my soul and save reality”
“Ah phew. Don’t worry. My mate just stepped in the way. All clear. What a relief”

Come on. That’s not ok.

Max.

It was not that simple, but if you wish to talk further about it, let's find out the details and go elsewhere to talk about it.

QUOTE(Carlo @ Jul 18 2019, 07:49 AM) *
And the finaticles that go round chopping off heads are clearly not the norm. Otherwise there would be no one left! Bowing is a sign of respect, there are plenty of Imperial mercenaries that would do worse if you insulted them.

- Well, you may be an advocate of bullying, and see life as so little that it’s ok to remove someone’s head for not bowing. But even if it isn’t ‘the norm’ - that doesn’t make it ok for when it does happen. Does it?

Maybe you think it does. But I’m a criminal (minor crimes, mostly clear) and a necromancer, and even I know that these acts are pretty messed up.

Max.

Clearly some people are stepping beyond what is acceptable but they will be criminals in their lands and dealt with, just as there are those that do the same in the Empire. Maybe your faith should be concerned with the bullying in the Empire before trying to interfear in other lands affairs, which we clearly don't understand fully. It's not simple or straightforward. Again if you wish to talk further I will happily do elsewhere. But I will not let you distract from the other important things discussed here.

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post Jul 18 2019, 01:27 PM
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Rather than a lot of speculation and people making up stories, half truths and assumptions, maybe hear it from some one that was actually there...

I saw Lord Neko undergo the ceremony that would end her life. I admit I felt it unnecessary and having spent the last few days with her, and enjoying her company, would have preferred her go a different way.

That said, it was explained to me that it was important to undergo the act. This she did. I saw her do it, so let's stop with the haters making stories up. Takes a lot of courage to end your life over a matter of honour.

Now I don't know all the rules and ins and outs of this procedure but I understand it isn't the outcome that matters but the willingness to do the deed.

On this occasion, Lord Neko did the deed and honour was fulfilled. The fates, the Gods or whenever was watching decided the ceremony and the act were enough to pay what debt was due and that is that. I am not sure why people, people that weren't there to judge with their own eyes are now trying to drag this whole sorry event back into discussions.

I suggest we stop with the speculation and the rather petty finger pointing and move on.

I'm not in love with the Amlas culture, there are bits that deeply concern me but what I saw on this occasion was courageous, meaningful and powerful. I hear a lot of people saying they are prepared to die for their convictions, rather fewer actually willing to do so.

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