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ZoeMercer
post Jan 3 2018, 11:57 AM
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Dear family,

I travelled this final dawn to the Empire to lend my assistance to the threat posed by the Amber Duke.

I believe that without my aid, much more vitae would have been lost and I in no way acted against the mission at hand.

I did, however, disagree with some of the Imperials in the most experienced groups right to make decisions that would affect the whole of Primus, forever.

I communed and got approval for my actions from the Silver Dragon and The Light of Heaven, The Jade Emporer.

Here is a copy of the correspondence between the Empires Senator for justice and myself since the dawn.

I am interested in your thoughts on how I, our family and the whole of Amlas could respond.

“Lychee,

It was a pleasure to meet you over the turn of the Dawn, Following my returning to Bildteve to deal with ritual defences on the last day of the dawn it has been brought to my attention there was an altercation between yourself and some prominent members of the Empire.

Before I make any decisions myself based on the testimony of others present I would like to offer you the opportunity to send me a statement of events as you see to my offices then this would also allow me to make sense of the situation presented by others.

You are not a citizen of the Empire so you may choose to ignore this issue but good relations between our two nations is of paramount importance to me and I believe we must all work with representatives of the others nation when we are present there. Not against them to our own agenda. In matters of Law as Covenant in the Empire I would bow to your Emperors' Honour (my opposite position abroad I believe) while in your lands and I believe that we should be afforded the same courtesy when visitors of your nation come to the Empire especially with regards matters of supernatural security and threats of that nature.

I look forward to receiving your statement as soon as possible.

Louis Athanyn
Senator for Justice – Covenant”

To which I said that despite my contribution to the muster, Millie tried to arrest me for an unknown crime. Tangle stated that she did not have the authority to do so. Tarquin banished me which had I chosen to, I could have resisted but I did not wish to push the boundaries of what is acceptable in the Mercenary community.
I then asked of what crime am I accused. To which he replied:

“The accusation is wilfully hiding artefacts linked to the threat of Amber Magic and playing a role in thwarting Mercenary efforts in banishing Amber magic from Primus.

It was my belief after a great deal of conversation on the subject as Majitus of the Inquisition (assessing what is a threat to the Magical stability of the Empire) with many members of our company use of the Magic should be banished to our fullest ability. While I was not willing to openly outlaw use of the Magic at the time I was actually very close due to the various threats posed by some of the spells - far more threat than most other commonly available magics, the 16th rank glyph arguably constitutes a ritual strike if cast in a City.

I am keen to avoid a diplomatic incident but I am equally keen to understand why you didn't seem happy to assist the Empire in resolving a potential threat to it - I am also keen to ascertain were the Relic is now as I believe you warded it from scrying and put it out of reach of those present.

I want to be in full understanding of the facts before I make any rash judgements or proclamations so I am very keen to get statements from yourself and Joron to better understand what led you both to attempting to take relics that were potentially key to the supernatural defence of the Empire. Having spent two days with you I don't believe this was some veiled effort of a power grab or reach for personal power but I would like to understand what your plan was.

I am sure you can appreciate a similar incident in your lands where someone of the Empire took something which posed a real and present threat to your Celestial Emperor would not have been tolerated.”

All that I did, I did before the proclamation was made.
The mercenary mission was in no way compromised by my actions.
Although Senator Athanyn may be in charge of stuff in the Empire, he is not yet in charge of Primus as a whole.
I have looked at the ‘ritual strike’ and it is not as catastrophic as he seems to believe. Regardless, as amber wizards can’t be immune to communications, it’s pretty easy to keep an eye on them and deal early.
I think I mentioned just before I was attacked, the hypocrisy of decrying time magic as a whole whilst being led by someone who routinely manipulates time.

Humble apologies if I have brought shame on Amlas.

LyChee Panama
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KatSables
post Jan 3 2018, 02:16 PM
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Our lord has given orders we are to follow the laws of the empire when travelling in Amlas. This is all I will say on the matter

Neko Panama


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duncanmatthias
post Jan 3 2018, 02:20 PM
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It may be worth talking to Lady Dansu, as Keiyaku she is Louis Athernynes equivalent. She maybe able to assist you.

I shall try to remain out of it as I was on a pilgrimage over the dawn.

Woodrow
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LauraSB
post Jan 3 2018, 08:20 PM
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I am reading this that no verdict or punishment has been currently made. I will ask if you could in inform in privately as to the nature and location of the Relic in question and anything else that could be useful before I discuss the matter privately with Louis Athernynes-san, and if you had any reason to 'hide information' from the westerners on the Dawn.

I am sure we can sort this out so relations between Amlas and Labyrinthia are not strained and you can continue to travel in the western lands without future issue.

Ningyou Dansu
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Esmerelda Dawbringer - Human Noble, Pure Priest
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Sarah
post Jan 5 2018, 02:04 PM
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Noble Lychee, Most Honourable Lady Neko

Lady Neko is correct that our Lord has made it clear if you choose to travel in the west you must abide by their Laws, as we would expect them to abide
by ours if they travelled here.

However I would be interested to see the written laws that you have broken, and what official documents there are for these. In the heat of any moment it is the very nature of people to react, and normally this would be very defensive, or perhaps aggressive in nature. It seems to me that in a time of trouble communication about what people were doing and why, were perhaps blanketed in the chaos of the moment. Let us be clear whilst our lands and culture are different, we all live our Lives on Primus, and its protection should be of paramount importance. However whilst I myself am no longer keen on the use of magic as you well know, actions required to protect Primus should be taken with care, a rash move in the heat of the moment even when thinking its the only way, could lead down a path far worse.
I sincerely hope that the details of what have occured can be made simple to understand, so that our Lord can can assess the situation properly and with
the correct information.

I am happy to pass this information on if it is required once I have received anything relevant, at the very least our Lord will need to be informed of this situation, which I am also happy to do if this is required.

I will await your thoughts Lady Neko once you have assessed the information too, as to whether you need me to do anything, or you are happy with the way it is being dealt with at the moment.

So I shall return to my meditation and wanderings unless I am called upon.

I am available should anyone wish to discuss matters

Lady Kili Panama
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QUOTE(ZoeMercer @ Jan 3 2018, 11:57 AM) *
Dear family,

I travelled this final dawn to the Empire to lend my assistance to the threat posed by the Amber Duke.

I believe that without my aid, much more vitae would have been lost and I in no way acted against the mission at hand.

I did, however, disagree with some of the Imperials in the most experienced groups right to make decisions that would affect the whole of Primus, forever.

I communed and got approval for my actions from the Silver Dragon and The Light of Heaven, The Jade Emporer.

Here is a copy of the correspondence between the Empires Senator for justice and myself since the dawn.

I am interested in your thoughts on how I, our family and the whole of Amlas could respond.

“Lychee,

It was a pleasure to meet you over the turn of the Dawn, Following my returning to Bildteve to deal with ritual defences on the last day of the dawn it has been brought to my attention there was an altercation between yourself and some prominent members of the Empire.

Before I make any decisions myself based on the testimony of others present I would like to offer you the opportunity to send me a statement of events as you see to my offices then this would also allow me to make sense of the situation presented by others.

You are not a citizen of the Empire so you may choose to ignore this issue but good relations between our two nations is of paramount importance to me and I believe we must all work with representatives of the others nation when we are present there. Not against them to our own agenda. In matters of Law as Covenant in the Empire I would bow to your Emperors' Honour (my opposite position abroad I believe) while in your lands and I believe that we should be afforded the same courtesy when visitors of your nation come to the Empire especially with regards matters of supernatural security and threats of that nature.

I look forward to receiving your statement as soon as possible.

Louis Athanyn
Senator for Justice – Covenant”

To which I said that despite my contribution to the muster, Millie tried to arrest me for an unknown crime. Tangle stated that she did not have the authority to do so. Tarquin banished me which had I chosen to, I could have resisted but I did not wish to push the boundaries of what is acceptable in the Mercenary community.
I then asked of what crime am I accused. To which he replied:

“The accusation is wilfully hiding artefacts linked to the threat of Amber Magic and playing a role in thwarting Mercenary efforts in banishing Amber magic from Primus.

It was my belief after a great deal of conversation on the subject as Majitus of the Inquisition (assessing what is a threat to the Magical stability of the Empire) with many members of our company use of the Magic should be banished to our fullest ability. While I was not willing to openly outlaw use of the Magic at the time I was actually very close due to the various threats posed by some of the spells - far more threat than most other commonly available magics, the 16th rank glyph arguably constitutes a ritual strike if cast in a City.

I am keen to avoid a diplomatic incident but I am equally keen to understand why you didn't seem happy to assist the Empire in resolving a potential threat to it - I am also keen to ascertain were the Relic is now as I believe you warded it from scrying and put it out of reach of those present.

I want to be in full understanding of the facts before I make any rash judgements or proclamations so I am very keen to get statements from yourself and Joron to better understand what led you both to attempting to take relics that were potentially key to the supernatural defence of the Empire. Having spent two days with you I don't believe this was some veiled effort of a power grab or reach for personal power but I would like to understand what your plan was.

I am sure you can appreciate a similar incident in your lands where someone of the Empire took something which posed a real and present threat to your Celestial Emperor would not have been tolerated.”

All that I did, I did before the proclamation was made.
The mercenary mission was in no way compromised by my actions.
Although Senator Athanyn may be in charge of stuff in the Empire, he is not yet in charge of Primus as a whole.
I have looked at the ‘ritual strike’ and it is not as catastrophic as he seems to believe. Regardless, as amber wizards can’t be immune to communications, it’s pretty easy to keep an eye on them and deal early.
I think I mentioned just before I was attacked, the hypocrisy of decrying time magic as a whole whilst being led by someone who routinely manipulates time.

Humble apologies if I have brought shame on Amlas.

LyChee Panama



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ZoeMercer
post Jan 5 2018, 04:11 PM
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I broke no laws. I didn't think I had at the time. It appears that those representing the Empire were overzealous and may have overstepped legal boundaries themselves. It is being investigated. I look forward to seeing how Empire justice is administered.

I think they are so used to 'yes men' that when this woman said no, it confused them a little. It was important though.

It is worrying that these people are making decisions that have consequences beyond the Empire.

Upon reflection, it may have been the Ancestors wisdom that sent me to the Dawn. Maybe they recognised a greater threat to Primus than the Amber Duke?

LyChee
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post Jan 5 2018, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(ZoeMercer @ Jan 5 2018, 04:11 PM) *
I broke no laws. I didn't think I had at the time. It appears that those representing the Empire were overzealous and may have overstepped legal boundaries themselves. It is being investigated. I look forward to seeing how Empire justice is administered.

I think they are so used to 'yes men' that when this woman said no, it confused them a little. It was important though.

It is worrying that these people are making decisions that have consequences beyond the Empire.

Upon reflection, it may have been the Ancestors wisdom that sent me to the Dawn. Maybe they recognised a greater threat to Primus than the Amber Duke?

LyChee


Well you have nothing to worry about if you have broken no laws you have caused no dishonour or shame.

Try not to over think what western folk do, they are very different to us and our ways.
Woodrow and I went to the dawn the year before last and not once did they stop for tea!

Neko


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post Jan 5 2018, 04:43 PM
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Ah yes I see your concern and worry,

Let us see what happens, I would hope and like to think that there are people in the Empire who are wise enough to understand the
ramifications of their actions.

I am sure that people in the Empire that know you, are well aware that you would only be doing what you thought was best at the time
for Primus.

I believe this to be the case and am here to support you and the family. Legalities can be tricky in such times and not knowing the
written laws of the Empire it is difficult to comment, also not being present at the time makes it even more complex.

I will wait with anticipation to see what the Empire rules regarding this situation.

Lady Kili
Fortune




QUOTE(ZoeMercer @ Jan 5 2018, 04:11 PM) *
I broke no laws. I didn't think I had at the time. It appears that those representing the Empire were overzealous and may have overstepped legal boundaries themselves. It is being investigated. I look forward to seeing how Empire justice is administered.

I think they are so used to 'yes men' that when this woman said no, it confused them a little. It was important though.

It is worrying that these people are making decisions that have consequences beyond the Empire.

Upon reflection, it may have been the Ancestors wisdom that sent me to the Dawn. Maybe they recognised a greater threat to Primus than the Amber Duke?

LyChee



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LauraSB
post Jan 5 2018, 08:59 PM
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Sorry for the intrusion:
I have spoken with Louis Athanyn, indeed there have have made no declaration as yet on anyone persons actions over the Dawn, He is simply fact finding at this point and sending your view of events would likely be helpful for his report.
No laws have been broken and you are not currently ostracised from their lands, and I believe not likely to be.
The incident sounds more a conflict of opinions and personalities, as is common on these kind of events.
I agree that the labyrinthian's often do things over the dawn that can affect beyond there own boundaries, as such I am glad you were there for a difference of opinion for them, even if it appear it was not wanted.
I have expressed my concern to Athanyn about the planned attack on your person, but their is little little that can be done as, gladly I might add, you were not killed.

I do not know if this was a help, but I hope this incident doesn't not stop you from travelling West in the future.

Ningyou Dansu


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Xue Yanshi- crazy fairy Kensai with death wish
Ningyou Dansu - Crane Daimyo- Honoured One, Celestial Mind (Mystic plus)
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Serenity - Tainted Ramillion shard, Absent Blade (budoka/ warrior priest)
Esmerelda Dawbringer - Human Noble, Pure Priest
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ZoeMercer
post Jan 6 2018, 04:27 PM
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In further correspondence with the Empire, it has come to my attention that any person is liable for arrest at any time should one of their magistrates decide to do so. This is not dependant on the person being arrested even being accused of a crime.

Yes that is right. The Empire does not require you to break the law to arrest you.

Add to that, even though I did not resist the arrest (for not breaking the law) they believe I am liable for resisting being arrested.

This has justified them turning a blind eye to Tarquins attack on myself.

Just for your information.

LyChee Panama
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post Jan 7 2018, 02:27 PM
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Well now, I knew laws there were odd, but thats a new one on me, sometimes i hear my Katana screaming at me,
it hangs on the wall at the moment.

Lady Kili

QUOTE(ZoeMercer @ Jan 6 2018, 04:27 PM) *
In further correspondence with the Empire, it has come to my attention that any person is liable for arrest at any time should one of their magistrates decide to do so. This is not dependant on the person being arrested even being accused of a crime.

Yes that is right. The Empire does not require you to break the law to arrest you.

Add to that, even though I did not resist the arrest (for not breaking the law) they believe I am liable for resisting being arrested.

This has justified them turning a blind eye to Tarquins attack on myself.

Just for your information.

LyChee Panama



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Queen Gerehax (Dwarven Queen) 27k
Tweegle - Jade crusader of Michael 15k (not a thief or a liar)
Sushi Panama - Panther Spirit 13k
Tetsu Ko - Chieftain raging bear tribe 9k
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