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post Sep 24 2018, 02:22 PM
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Firstly I need to point out this is not to cause an argument or ruffle feathers, it is purely to avoid seemingly unfair situations arising in the future on the nature of contracts. I understand this has touched a few nerves lately and there is something about the CC system I have never really understood which I think needs to be aired to the community.

Essentially there are public and private contracts;

Public - people share their combined goals which is great and the all work together to get the CP's examples are make my Drake a Dragon or reinstate Gizmo's mark through out the City.

Private - these are to attain titles or nice snippets to add to your background or play and with time probably things you will get cool upgrades from Points Apps - examples include becoming an secret cult leader of a city or becoming the leader of your gods choir of angels.


The issue I have is there is a type of contract that is clearly in a grey area that need to be public and arguably have a system to negate them which we clearly don't currently have. As an example someone wanted to become the City Spirit of City X - this to some level IMO is a major world altering state of affairs so other people should be aware. Essentially if someone is actively weakening a City Spirit to gain the power themselves then the Kallah for example would all be aware and should have a clear and visible opportunity to combat the contract and assist their leader.

The only contracts that are public at the moment are those people choose to share with the goal of gaining more CP's... This is the only mechanism to get a contract out there. Clearly some contracts by their very nature need to be out there for all to attempt to close down. Especially when logically like in the example above all of the player characters will be affected by the new role (to the point of a total change of Kallah benefits). Essentially if you want to represent a massive group of people in the system / on Primus then realistically you need their support in some way, it is likely they have backed you as part of your goal.

Personally I think contracts which aren't just personal "I now lead this group" need to be posted publicly to the boards or maybe in an Almanac so people can strive to that goal on their own contract OR use CP's to wipe off the other persons quoting a public contract number. Granted this could be seen as too PVP for some but I can't think of a better way.

I welcome the thoughts of others and would ask we look at this from a fresh perspective going forward, what has been and gone is for the CC and the CMT to discuss but clearly the system needs a slight tweak to accommodate transparency and fairness in future.

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post Sep 24 2018, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Sep 24 2018, 03:22 PM) *
The only contracts that are public at the moment are those people choose to share with the goal of gaining more CP's... This is the only mechanism to get a contract out there. Clearly some contracts by their very nature need to be out there for all to attempt to close down. Especially when logically like in the example above all of the player characters will be affected by the new role (to the point of a total change of Kallah benefits). Essentially if you want to represent a massive group of people in the system / on Primus then realistically you need their support in some way, it is likely they have backed you as part of your goal.


I'd agree with this. A bit of spirited competition could be fun. Furthermore, I think it makes the world feel more alive.

It also lends a sense of continuity to events. Its nice to feel those ripples of cause and effect through the game world.

QUOTE(Ryan @ Sep 24 2018, 03:22 PM) *
Granted this could be seen as too PVP for some but I can't think of a better way.


I dont see a problem with this. I think there is an appetite for this kind of "political" PvP.


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post Sep 24 2018, 03:09 PM
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I agree. I think any contract where you are taking a public position of power people would know as you start getting closer to achieving it.

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post Sep 24 2018, 03:10 PM
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I get the point you are making but, just playing Argoth's Advocate, I don't think, until a Contract has reached a certain "level" that it should start to become public, there probably should be, for big things, some sort of clues.

I know that certain Imperial Departments have their own CC Contracts that are triggered when (for want of a better word) "hostile" Contracts get flagged so that they become aware of them and can then react.

They worked to get those resources in place, would seem a bit harsh then to just say to that anyone can get that info for free and its automatically public from the start.

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post Sep 24 2018, 04:34 PM
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I think it needs to be down to the contract specifically, there’s not one set way of doing things ( E.G becoming the leader of a group could be done with subversion and secrecy, it’s not necessarily so black and white)

I still think that people need to apply for their own CCS to work against someone’s CC, otherwise it doesn’t seem fair IMO.

At any level, if something you’re doing as a character is on a CC and will be posted publicly, it should first be made aware to the player so they can withdraw their workings should they want to.


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post Sep 24 2018, 05:13 PM
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I agree with Ryan as he did say 'type of contracts' and gave good example of Kallah Lord. IMHO titles or roles would be more public than most contracts as whole thing about those type of contracts is self promotion in that role through IC history and future behaviour when doing contract though there are clearly those may not fit this e.g. trying get title of Primus's most skilled Assassin, as you wouldnt want everyone to know IC it was you. I think anything that you could hear IC through word of mouth e.g. someone discussing a character doing something amazing towards a IC title or role should mean the contact becomes public. CP contracts are an OOC mechanism but if going for a IC title/role where you have to behave in a certain way to achieve that role then its weird if no one else in the IC World hears about it.
If someone wants to be head of a guild and is trying to oust the current leader (due to that character having not played in years) members of that guild would likely be aware it was going to happen or someone was working towards leadership. If you then had two or more people competing, it would become clear and members of the guild wouldn't be surprised by change in leadership, current guild head would be aware of coup, and other players with same contract would be aware they would need to be more active/loud about their own leadership bid. You would then avoid two or more players all competing for same title/role without knowing and getting upset their efforts towards the contract seem wasted.

Once public, you could then gain IC support for that role (Possibly even gain CP's from other players promoting you as 'insert title') and rivals could then either go all in against you or bow out.

CP contracts are definitely a grey area as OOC you are unlikely to know about them and it would be large & boring admin task to publish all of them but IC people would likely hear about I.C. Weiner trying to become Baron of Wallastovia not mater how secretively he want about it.

I'd be aggrieved if I had done a few dungeons gaining CP's and then discovered someone had pipped me to the post. If I had been aware, I'd have had the opportunity to try & play more dungeons before 'race had ended' or alter my current CP contract so I was understudy or something similar.

The examples of CP contracts in latest Almanac are good e.g. someone wants to be know as bravest warrior etc so anyone on that dungeon would have seen brave behaviour. NPC's and PC's in party would be chin-wagging about it.

Perhaps have secret/non-published contract up to a point of CP's (Say half CP in contract or 2/3) then more people are aware and it is posted on boards? Turns OOC into IC awareness or maybe refs should post more stories in World Whispers so even if CP contract isn't published you are giving massive IC clues that I.C. Weiner is much loved by peasants of Wallostovia who all want him to be Baron.

Just need something to blend OOC and IC together more but very much depends on contract tbh.

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post Sep 26 2018, 10:16 AM
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I agree with Alan, it's a very long post.......

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