laying out a multi class, question |
laying out a multi class, question |
Apr 2 2016, 08:49 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,710 Joined: 28-February 09 From: Woodford Green Member No.: 891 |
so when putting in a multi class, do you normally throw in a post 6th bit or is that reserved for when you put in 7 and 8 the levels with a post 8th?
is there a set way of doing this or is it just how many pages you want to pay for? oh and does everyone really stick to a 12 point font? thanks in advance. -------------------- Neil.
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Apr 2 2016, 10:00 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,399 Joined: 5-March 11 From: bromley Member No.: 1,807 |
so when putting in a multi class, do you normally throw in a post 6th bit or is that reserved for when you put in 7 and 8 the levels with a post 8th? is there a set way of doing this or is it just how many pages you want to pay for? oh and does everyone really stick to a 12 point font? thanks in advance. It is entirely possible to have both post 6th and post 8th to a multi-class, given you can only take one multi-class to 8th A lot of people have their own points app layouts or you can just use the laby one And I think the 12pt font rule is basically there to stop people taking the 'micky' with font size 7 paragraphs that should really be multiple sheets, worth noting though the default font size on the downloads isn't 12 -------------------- Dan Hunt
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Apr 3 2016, 02:59 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,722 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 105 |
Sometimes I add a "post 6th may buy xx" underneath the multiclass if there is space, if there are a lot of options I normally put in a separate sheet. I always do size 12 font, although it doesn't really matter as long as you don't take the Michael. You're well within your rights to have a 1st to 6th, post 6th, 7th and 8th and post 8th abilities for a multiclass. Or a multiclass based on another multiclass, or a status based off the multiclass or a multiclass based off a status. Its more important that it fits a theme and builds up logically, rather than the format its in.
Personally I like post 6th stuff as it doesn't lock you into another class, and you can pick and choose what you buy, although you generally get less new abilities and more upgrades to the multiclass abilities. Stuart |
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Apr 6 2016, 06:27 AM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,710 Joined: 28-February 09 From: Woodford Green Member No.: 891 |
Thanks for the replies guys, most helpful.
So, you are planning out your character and probably going to (over the course of time) take several multiclasses but only one of them can have levels 7 and 8...how are you choosing? what are you expecting from those levels 7 and 8? or does it not really matter? because you can always just points app a 'post 6th' ability? -------------------- Neil.
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Apr 6 2016, 07:16 AM
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Deity Group: Members Posts: 12,464 Joined: 10-November 07 Member No.: 25 |
Well, if you are taking a multiclass that takes you out of the bracket and gives you "buy as" that new bracket that is your first call of port for 7th and 8th because you can then get a limited buy as 1st Class in that new bracket
Typically Four 1st Class abilities. If you are not leaving the bracket then its well worth waiting until you find out which multi-class you really want to specialise in BBB -------------------- Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...
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Apr 6 2016, 08:10 AM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,437 Joined: 25-November 07 Member No.: 142 |
Also good to remember your 8th level MC can be very char defining and there is stuff that will only be got via your 8th level slot, so think hard and get advice
Miles -------------------- The game is not always about balance
Apply rule 7 and don't overthink it. |
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Apr 6 2016, 08:23 AM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,788 Joined: 23-September 12 From: Surrey Member No.: 2,516 |
Well, if you are taking a multiclass that takes you out of the bracket and gives you "buy as" that new bracket that is your first call of port for 7th and 8th because you can then get a limited buy as 1st Class in that new bracket Typically Four 1st Class abilities. If you are not leaving the bracket then its well worth waiting until you find out which multi-class you really want to specialise in BBB Really? Is this a rule nowadays, or just commonly accepted points app territory? Presumably works the same if a warrior subclass takes a warrior m/c to 8th too then? Cheers, Sean |
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Apr 6 2016, 10:35 AM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,317 Joined: 18-March 08 From: Surrey Member No.: 431 |
Yup it is.
So if I was a warrior and Mc'd 1st to 6th wizard, then brought 7th & 8th Wizard you would write, may buy 1 1st class ability per 3 tables reached, thats the norm. Really? Is this a rule nowadays, or just commonly accepted points app territory? Presumably works the same if a warrior subclass takes a warrior m/c to 8th too then? Cheers, Sean |
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Apr 6 2016, 11:36 AM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,148 Joined: 18-October 14 Member No.: 3,966 |
Yup it is. So if I was a warrior and Mc'd 1st to 6th wizard, then brought 7th & 8th Wizard you would write, may buy 1 1st class ability per 3 tables reached, thats the norm. Jeez, I've been missing out!! Never bothered over the last 18 years to go to 8th as never saw it as worth it, but now I know... Dave |
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Apr 6 2016, 12:22 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,710 Joined: 28-February 09 From: Woodford Green Member No.: 891 |
So I would be right in thinking that the 7th and 8th are only of particular importance if you plan on leaving the bracket?
-------------------- Neil.
PM box FULL - Please EMAIL me instead: neilmillard1@googlemail.com ------------------------------------- Conroy Suman:Grey Wizard,Nicosia Roguri: Pathfinder,Valentine:Champion,Keyser Kint:Thug,Boone:Scout,Virgil:Oppressed Troll Ranger,Doris the Dagger:Drag queen/negotiator,Sid Snout:Editor of the Sunsday Snort. He boiled for your sins Ramen |
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Apr 6 2016, 12:49 PM
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Heldsman Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: 19-February 08 Member No.: 388 |
Not just leaving the bracket, but getting any other type of 'Buy As' that also has some published '1st Class Only' abilities that you want
-------------------- Nibs
Plays: [REDACTED] Tarkin (Black Seer) Tubbs (Fated Friar) Shugoki (250pts Amlesian ogre magi warrior of the jewel) |
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Apr 6 2016, 01:12 PM
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Deity Group: Members Posts: 12,464 Joined: 10-November 07 Member No.: 25 |
Really? Is this a rule nowadays, or just commonly accepted points app territory? Presumably works the same if a warrior subclass takes a warrior m/c to 8th too then? Cheers, Sean Its a "standard non-standard" when you apply for 7th & 8th. Rumoured to just be standard when the new books come out. BBB -------------------- Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...
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Apr 6 2016, 01:14 PM
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Deity Group: Members Posts: 12,464 Joined: 10-November 07 Member No.: 25 |
So I would be right in thinking that the 7th and 8th are only of particular importance if you plan on leaving the bracket? No but its biggest impact is if you have acquired a new buy as in 1-6 then 7-8 will allow you some 1st Class stuff. BBB -------------------- Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...
PS, Yes, I know my PM Box is full. Email me instead... (Which you can do through the forums email) |
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Apr 6 2016, 01:14 PM
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Deity Group: Members Posts: 12,464 Joined: 10-November 07 Member No.: 25 |
Jeez, I've been missing out!! Never bothered over the last 18 years to go to 8th as never saw it as worth it, but now I know... Dave Don't worry, never really occurred to me either... 😊 BBB -------------------- Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...
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Apr 6 2016, 09:30 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 5-December 07 Member No.: 208 |
7th and 8th in a MC or MR is an opportunity to do some really character defining stuff (or if bracket pure warrior, to buff up damage reductions)
For instance I have had/have L7&8 Elder Fey based on a 'mist fey' theme for my fey thug. Lots of points for ebon drave innates, points and fraction damage reductions, misty gaseous forms etc. Plus more fey minor/major ability slots. (All Tied in to the character background I wrote down as an initial tendency when I started the character) L7&8 for my hunter (warrior) for a sort of light based power master allowed foreleg parry, parry magic and some other stuff as well as increased casting and mana. Instead of buying this I went battle master... L7&8 spirit warrior for an evil scout allowed me to more simplistically gain 4x buy as first class (for which I specified which abilities - cheaper probably as more definitive - and one was to buy MC Devout Believer (the one with the spirits of innates) at +25% cost... For walk through walls innates etc) These are all *reasonable* and I doff my cap to Mr Fisher for the inevitable 'blows your mind' options. Generally L7&8 of a standard class like spirit warrior seems to be at least 50% of 1-6 cost in points, at least where I have applied it. This expensive, but worth it to break into some new and fruity skills areas, etc. The core rule... Build on a stated character concept over time. I've found Lee as GSM really good on this - feeding back with help when I've got things 'wrong' ... "Not like that, but could do ABC instead for x pts" (etc) Hope that helps, Alasdair |
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Apr 6 2016, 10:34 PM
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Apr 6 2016, 10:34 PM
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You can go to town with level 7 & 8 of a class or race
Few examples of stuff I have: The most extreme: Netherman Multiclass post netherman multirace 7th level earthmeld @ will 8th 2 retro shifts Regen 24 tblps worth of shift neuronics per hour No effect at will for 3 life for 5 mins 1/day Post 8th immune to senses/detections including sense motion Elder fey juggerorc 7th spirit invis innates become no verbal and no gesture Druidic heals now heal 24/24 and perm and aren't flesh and blood effect on self Imm. To flesh and blood bar poison 8th 25% off pure mantic becomes 50% 3/day I am the juggernaut - statue form 1/day A weird damage reduction X innates of break down walls/thru binds/physical tangible stopping fx like golden box Post 8th but the seven winds as ishmaic human 7th & 8th mist fiend 7th pains based spells give me life for 5 minutes so if a pain cast on me gives me +12 life for 5 mins, max 1 casting on me at a time Immune to detrimental ebony mana 8th magic only Imm. To ageing fx/time based effects/don't weigh any weight |
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Apr 7 2016, 08:22 AM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,148 Joined: 18-October 14 Member No.: 3,966 |
Wow. This thread has definitely been enlightening! I've been far too conservative with some of mine historically, and this has given me some nice ideas for a couple of current characters, thank you.
Any others people are happy to share? I've heard that a few folks have m/c into same bracket, e.g. so a pure priest m/c pure priest to get a separate spirit pool and major sphere. Is it that simple or is there more to it? Anyone able to share such so example? Dave You can go to town with level 7 & 8 of a class or race Few examples of stuff I have: The most extreme: Netherman Multiclass post netherman multirace 7th level earthmeld @ will 8th 2 retro shifts Regen 24 tblps worth of shift neuronics per hour No effect at will for 3 life for 5 mins 1/day Post 8th immune to senses/detections including sense motion Elder fey juggerorc 7th spirit invis innates become no verbal and no gesture Druidic heals now heal 24/24 and perm and aren't flesh and blood effect on self Imm. To flesh and blood bar poison 8th 25% off pure mantic becomes 50% 3/day I am the juggernaut - statue form 1/day A weird damage reduction X innates of break down walls/thru binds/physical tangible stopping fx like golden box Post 8th but the seven winds as ishmaic human 7th & 8th mist fiend 7th pains based spells give me life for 5 minutes so if a pain cast on me gives me +12 life for 5 mins, max 1 casting on me at a time Immune to detrimental ebony mana 8th magic only Imm. To ageing fx/time based effects/don't weigh any weight |
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Apr 7 2016, 05:00 PM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,756 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Guildford Member No.: 1,355 |
Can you use one of the 'Counts as 1st Class' slots to allow you to buy a multiclass linked to your 8th level MC?
-------------------- Andy
...................................... Godric Snowsson - Warrior/Wizard/Warrior Priest - 7.8k Ginkgo Panama - Kensai/Warrior Priest - 4.9k Grandbow - Human Spirit Warrior - 663pts Noyen Nopac Zu - Snake Clan Monk - 1.9k Coconut (aka ‘Dead Ogre Walking’)- Half Ogre Warrior - 4k 'It can't rain all the time!' |
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Apr 7 2016, 05:02 PM
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Hero Group: Administrators Posts: 2,275 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 118 |
You normally get
1MC 4 1st class slots |
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