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 Mar 8 2011, 01:03 PM
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Hello
I'm surprised and also a bit confused to hear priests of the Creator and St Michael saying that they worship the Destroyer and that his priests are welcome in their faith. It runs contrary to everything that I've ever been taught by Anarchus or others. I don't think even Gwydion would accept that and he had some very funny ideas indeed. I'd like some comment from Anarchus or Robert or someone, please. Justin Lefthanded, maybe. Not Fabbadon, though because with the best will in the world and even thought he's a brother knight, he's completely crazy. I don't think I could sit peacefully next to a priest of the destroyer in the cathedral in good conscience. Gaxx -------------------- No of course I won't ref. Are you mad?
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Mar 8 2011, 01:17 PM
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 Legend Group: Members Posts: 5,234 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 39 |
Gaxx
I am very happy to discuss it further with you to clear up any confusion, should you wish to do so. It is worth reiterating that I agree wholeheartedly that murderous, vile or similarly bothersome people who worship the Destroyer or indeed any other entity should be hunted down and slain. The Church of the Creator and the Church of St Michael differ notably in their interpretation of the scriptures when seeking to identify the Creator and his will, while at the same time still seeking to worship the same entity. Tristan Te'Kale Sire of the Church of the Creator Knight of the Land |
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Mar 8 2011, 01:20 PM
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 Militiaman Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Secret Underground Cavern Member No.: 78 |
QUOTE(Jasper @ Mar 8 2011, 01:03 PM)  Hello I'm surprised and also a bit confused to hear priests of the Creator and St Michael saying that they worship the Destroyer and that his priests are welcome in their faith. It runs contrary to everything that I've ever been taught by Anarchus or others. I don't think even Gwydion would accept that and he had some very funny ideas indeed. I'd like some comment from Anarchus or Robert or someone, please. Justin Lefthanded, maybe. Not Fabbadon, though because with the best will in the world and even thought he's a brother knight, he's completely crazy. I don't think I could sit peacefully next to a priest of the destroyer in the cathedral in good conscience. Gaxx There a different Church I thought, reading scriptures in a different way. There either seeing life as a cycle perhaps a bit like the seasons and that destuction allows new growth, or if its not quite right break it and make another. Basically there Destroyer isn't the same thing I think of if you ask me. William -------------------- In AD&D 1st Edition the spell "Mount" should only ever be used as a seige weapon....
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Mar 8 2011, 01:32 PM
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Militiaman Group: Members Posts: 435 Joined: 26-August 09 Member No.: 1,164 |
It's probably just me but it sounds like we should be killing bad men who follow the destroyer. Michael doesn't like evil people in the world anyway does he?
On the other hand if we've all be outlawed then it will be easier to kill the bad people without worrying about it I suppose. It wouldn't be the first time I'd been an outlaw, and although it's less interesting than you might imagine it does allow a certain level of freedom. Anyway, this is all going to blow over soon anyway. Maybe we should all get together and have an outing again. Martaine. |
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Mar 8 2011, 01:56 PM
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Arch-Enemy Group: Members Posts: 6,236 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 40 |
QUOTE(evilwizard @ Mar 8 2011, 01:20 PM) There a different Church I thought, reading scriptures in a different way. There either seeing life as a cycle perhaps a bit like the seasons and that destuction allows new growth, or if its not quite right break it and make another. Basically there Destroyer isn't the same thing I think of if you ask me. William Precisely, William. It sounds like a very different thing indeed, yet it's being claimed to be the same thing. This is why I'd like Robert's or Anarchus' view on the matter. Gaxx -------------------- No of course I won't ref. Are you mad?
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Mar 8 2011, 04:33 PM
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Militiaman Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Secret Underground Cavern Member No.: 78 |
QUOTE(Chris @ Mar 8 2011, 01:32 PM) It's probably just me but it sounds like we should be killing bad men who follow the destroyer. Michael doesn't like evil people in the world anyway does he? On the other hand if we've all be outlawed then it will be easier to kill the bad people without worrying about it I suppose. It wouldn't be the first time I'd been an outlaw, and although it's less interesting than you might imagine it does allow a certain level of freedom. Anyway, this is all going to blow over soon anyway. Maybe we should all get together and have an outing again. Martaine. evil is really quite easy to do, very easy. Its all most natural and we have to fight it, in ourselves and in others by withstaining from doing it and showing others that you don't have to do it. Michael I think wants us to recognise when we have done evil and to attone for it and not to do it again, and basically learn from our mistakes and tread the hard narrow path of light and goodness and assend into heaven by his side one way or the other. I would recommend if your thinking about not killing someone because you'll be outlawed that you don't worry about the law and do whats right. I've been outlawed I think 3 times. I think there view is that the destoryer is a little like the bloke who checks the pots after firing and smashes all the bad ones. where as I see him as the guy so whacks the potter over the head and chucks him into the furnace with the pots then comes back later and breaks them all. William -------------------- In AD&D 1st Edition the spell "Mount" should only ever be used as a seige weapon....
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Mar 8 2011, 04:39 PM
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As one as old as i am, i am confused
THE DESTROYER is our foe, Simple There is no grey. Wolvesbane Arch Angel of St Michael |
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Mar 8 2011, 04:42 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 5,234 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 39 |
Indeed the Destroyer would destroy everything - the hint is in his naming.
It is the design of the Creator that we should suffer at the risk of evil. That doesn't mean evil is acceptable. It is quite possible to worship the Destroyer's place in things, by virtue of understanding that it is required to oppose unbridled creation by the Mother, and yet not embrace darkness in your soul. The Creator is a beneficent entity, and we do his will by aiding others to become all they can be. That does not mean always doing everything for them, for a child who is always carried will never learn to dance. Wolvesbane, I fear that your scriptures may have omitted the existence of the Mother, the source of imperfect creation. I would be happy to discuss this further with you if you are interested. Tristan |
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Mar 8 2011, 10:27 PM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,438 Joined: 25-November 07 Member No.: 142 |
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-------------------- The game is not always about balance
Apply rule 7 and don't overthink it. |
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Mar 8 2011, 10:29 PM
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Militiaman Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Secret Underground Cavern Member No.: 78 |
QUOTE(Stuart @ Mar 8 2011, 04:42 PM) It is quite possible to worship the Destroyer's place in things, by virtue of understanding that it is required to oppose unbridled creation by the Mother, and yet not embrace darkness in your soul. Tristan Accept perhaps, worship no. Why worship people taking the easy path of desturction... William -------------------- In AD&D 1st Edition the spell "Mount" should only ever be used as a seige weapon....
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Mar 8 2011, 10:32 PM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,438 Joined: 25-November 07 Member No.: 142 |
QUOTE(Stuart @ Mar 8 2011, 04:42 PM) Indeed the Destroyer would destroy everything - the hint is in his naming. It is the design of the Creator that we should suffer at the risk of evil. That doesn't mean evil is acceptable. It is quite possible to worship the Destroyer's place in things, by virtue of understanding that it is required to oppose unbridled creation by the Mother, and yet not embrace darkness in your soul. The Creator is a beneficent entity, and we do his will by aiding others to become all they can be. That does not mean always doing everything for them, for a child who is always carried will never learn to dance. Wolvesbane, I fear that your scriptures may have omitted the existence of the Mother, the source of imperfect creation. I would be happy to discuss this further with you if you are interested. Tristan Gaxx and others I have heard about the Church of the Creator and to be honest I have no idea where they got there scriptures from as they resemble nothing of the original priests I met when I was a young mercenary 20 odd years ago. As far as I am concerned and as far as the teaching of our faith go The Destroyer is Evil and needs to be countered when ever met, although I do not mean people should throw there lives away against an unbeatable foe. The Creator and Destroyer are divine creatures the represent an aim and a belief but they are not like the gods most people worship they do not have personalities as such as they are primal forces from which the gods originate. Our faith will never side with the Destroyer ever and I will excomunicate anyone I find who does so. I am absent from Primus at this time but when I return I will be making a clear destination between us and This Church of the Creator and as far as I am concerned they have nothing to do with our faith or our church. As a Church we worship the Archangel Michael who with our faith ascended to the heavens and became the War god of the Pantheon of Light, and although he resides within the Pantheon of the Creator we do not as a church. Anarchus Founder of the Faith hero of Legend -------------------- The game is not always about balance
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Mar 8 2011, 10:55 PM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,438 Joined: 25-November 07 Member No.: 142 |
To all Priests of our faith I have no problem with members of our faith following the creator but this does not extend to those of The Church of the Creator.
No one with our church will follow the Destroyer or aid him in any way. Any I find doing so will be excommunicated without a 2nd chance and this includes any of The Church of the Creator if you ever join my faith. I am happy to discuss with any individual who wishes to drop the whole idea of The Destroyer and return to the true faith and light of St Michael I am happy to talk welcome you into my Church. Anarchus Founder of the Faith Hero of Legend -------------------- The game is not always about balance
Apply rule 7 and don't overthink it. |
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Mar 8 2011, 11:33 PM
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Arch-Enemy Group: Members Posts: 6,236 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 40 |
That's what I thought, but I needed to have it clarified in my mind. Thank you Anarchus.
Gaxx -------------------- No of course I won't ref. Are you mad?
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Mar 9 2011, 08:15 AM
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 Steve Louch Group: Members Posts: 898 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Kent Member No.: 108 |
QUOTE(miles @ Mar 8 2011, 10:55 PM) To all Priests of our faith I have no problem with members of our faith following the creator but this does not extend to those of The Church of the Creator. No one with our church will follow the Destroyer or aid him in any way. Any I find doing so will be excommunicated without a 2nd chance and this includes any of The Church of the Creator if you ever join my faith. I am happy to discuss with any individual who wishes to drop the whole idea of The Destroyer and return to the true faith and light of St Michael I am happy to talk welcome you into my Church. Anarchus Founder of the Faith Hero of Legend Indeed i always thought this to be so! I cannot believe this discussion has come up, any who worship the Destroyer should be dealt with akin to their beliefs! Destroyed! Vidar Ex High Priest Knight of Elfheim |
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Mar 9 2011, 10:24 AM
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 Militiaman Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-November 07 Member No.: 159 |
There are a few who follow the destroyers ways who are members of what the mortals call the mercenary community, and persnally I follow William and Martaine on this, the laws that formerly protected them were no protection from our faithful.
I for one will not tolerate their evil in any of its forms. Isaac Avenging Spirit -------------------- Lee
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