Worried about Reason |
Worried about Reason |
May 21 2014, 01:49 PM
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Arch-Enemy Group: Members Posts: 6,236 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 40 |
I'm a little worried about you, Reason.
I know you don't like me and that's fine - I'm perfectly aware of my failings and I understand. What concerns me is that you seem unable to forgive me. As an angel of Shaehan that should, theoretically, be impossible. Certainly you never tire of telling us that you are the manifestation of some unknowable divine will. I worry that you have suffered some malign influence which inhibits your capacity for forgiveness. Perhaps we should gather to investigate? I know that I am far from what one would expect from a High Priest of Shaehan. I suspect that is the point, that this whole business is Shaehan's attempt to mould me somehow, as was her intent when we first communed. We shall probably never know but perhaps if we all just keep in mind a little of the tolerance and forgiveness on which she is so keen, we'll muddle through. I certainly do not intend any changes except perhaps to recruit more members. 'Rus -------------------- No of course I won't ref. Are you mad?
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May 21 2014, 05:01 PM
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Avatar Group: Members Posts: 6,034 Joined: 23-June 08 From: Essex Member No.: 574 |
Forgiveness does come remarkably easy... I'll be honest the fact you see our Goddess as a tool for Power and her Angels as Artifacts waiting to happen is something that doesn't sit well as the Voice of our faith on Primus and just as I manage to see past something you say or do (usually in jest) you do something else. On this occasion it is the Execution of Mortal living person which quite simply is not ok - you are no normal mercenary who know's no better you are the embodiment of our faith to the people of Primus.
But I am not capable of arguing against the will of my lady and will assume if you retain your mantle as our High Priest it is due to some greater purpose and not due to some pact you have which would sadden me greatly. I think in reality as one of the Faithful I worry more for your soul than perhaps I should and simply wish to see you do the good I am sure you are capable of without belittling the sanctity of life along the way. If you wish to speak further on my well being I am happy too but I assure you I am quite well. Reason |
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May 21 2014, 06:31 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,492 Joined: 26-November 07 From: London Member No.: 158 |
Forgiveness is an easy thing to give, but I was told that for it to mean something, the person being forgiven should be sorry.
You sentenced a man to death. I... Cannot quite express how terrified it makes me that you who leads our faith could contemplate, let alone enact such a thing. Yes, we must accept that the ways of this world do not fall in line with how we would wish it to, and seek to do our best. But just as, when on a hire we must watch with saddness as others who do not hold our faith kill those who would cause more death, it must never be our place to be the killer, surely this rings true in all we do? I am not here to question the sentence passed. I am certain that you fulfilled your duties as a magistrate with skill and fairness and what was decreed in line with the laws of the land, however ill it sits with me. But you are something far more to the people of our church than a magistrate. You have been appointed our spiritual leader. If you wish to tell us there has been some fundamental change to the core beliefs of our faith, as sent down from on high, then I will be the first in line to listen. But a lesser member would put themselves at risk of excommunication were they to do the equivalent on a hire, just short of wielding the blade. Comparable maybe to halting a foe whilst my companions hacked him apart. Skirting on the letter of the faith. I urge you to think about the deep conflict of the roles you have taken upon yourself. I would not ask that the will of our goddess be forced upon the law of this land. There is no right there. But surely... Surely this is deeply wrong... Tirama -------------------- Will Power - will@labyrinthe.co.uk
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May 21 2014, 08:20 PM
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Arch-Enemy Group: Members Posts: 6,236 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 40 |
You're wrong, I'm afraid. Any of us who heal a man of violence do exactly this, every time. Every time Chernobyl resurrected someone evil, or healed one of his undead knight of the land friends, in the knowledge that they would kill again, he did this - and he is quite literally the spiritual embodiment of Shaehan.
Whether or not it is morally right, is a question you must answer for yourself, for no-one else can tell you what to believe. Not me, not the angels, not Shaehan. Your conscience is your own affair. I and your fellow priests can advise you but ultimately you must always do what you feel to be the right thing. Gods and Angels are simple creatures, who do not face the same troubles as real people. They don't hold all the answers, and no list of tenets they give you can prepare you for everything life has to offer. For what it's worth, I will say this; the punishment for the murder of another mercenary is utter destruction. I saved this man from that fate. Hopefully, in similar circumstances in the future, he will think twice and so I will have saved those people's lives as well. It isn't perfect but I see no other way. I suppose I could step back from the law but I can't see my replacement in Deci bringing any kinder treatment to those who come before him. Lastly; other, 'lesser' members risk no such thing - I cannot think of any act for which I would feel compelled to excommunicate someone from our church, to do so would be a denial of forgiveness. Frankly I am not so big a hypocrite as to sit in judgement on the morals of others. 'Rus -------------------- No of course I won't ref. Are you mad?
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Jun 11 2014, 10:47 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,492 Joined: 26-November 07 From: London Member No.: 158 |
I apologise for taking so long to respond. I have spent a lot of time in meditation thinking of how best to respond to this, and seeking guidance from those perhaps more knowing of such things than myself.
Rus, you cannot declare that I am wrong and in the same breath tell us that we must make our own decisions. That aside, I am quite prepared to say that I feel you are wrong in what you say. Healing those who need it is an act done directly to ease suffering and pain. True, they may go on to cause death, but that is not for us to judge. We are not given the sight to see where our paths may lead us or others. To compare your act to this feels much like clutching at straws. You cannot accurately compare the conscious decision to condemn a person to death to healing someone. Unless your purpose in that act was because you wished them to go on to kill. Your grasp of the legal system in this Empire is far greater than mine. As I said, my comments are not judging your skill in that area, but in actions as, we are told, our High Priest. If I were to analyse what you said however, I would observe that the punishment handed out to Mercenaries who slew another who have handed themselves in willingly is rarely destruction. You are, it appears from casual observation, referring to serial killers and those who attempt to escape the law. Just recently I can refer to the case of a Tryst priest who maliciously killed for the sake of killing but was made to hand himself in. He was given a path towards not being destroyed utterly, for money! I feel you are trying to justify what you have done as opposed to expressing regret at having gone against the core tenant of our Lady. That we must not kill is absolutely central to our faith, and whilst you may not have broken this, you have bent it to the point that it will take some work to reforge back to how it was. Gods and Angels are simple creatures? Very well. We do not kill. That is about as simple as it gets. One can dance around that as much as they like, but the spirit and essence of that core, interlinking thread of our faith is pure and not to be abused or put to one side. If you require reference to the letter of such things to defend your actions in matters of faith, then we have come to an awkward road. Finally in response to you, I do not know how you might react, but I will simply trust that you will in that case make decisions differently to how they have previously been regarding excommunication. Maybe we can agree on one thing. Faith is not a tool. It is to be celebrated and to encompass all of how you live, in none more so than our High Priest. If this is a role you are truly serious about holding, I pray that you find it in yourself to accept yourself as a servant to that faith, not that the faith should serve your needs and interpretations. I shall return to this after further contemplation and seeking of guidance. -------------------- Will Power - will@labyrinthe.co.uk
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