Multiraces, How do you eat yours |
Multiraces, How do you eat yours |
Sep 7 2011, 03:25 PM
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I'd like to get peoples current views on non-published multiraces. I'm talking about a general approach, not so much ideals like making sure you put in get outs/retroactives for a non-combat character or that big damage reduction as a warrior type, etc.
What I'd like to know is should you focus your multirace around what your character is already good at or in some fashion about what they're not good at, instead either acquiring extra abilities or working towards removing deficiencies? Is it better to go for things that directly augment/bolster your class abilities in some way or should you go for things that broaden the scope of what your character can do because it’s likely the one time you can really branch out to acquire things beyond the norm? For example.... As a red wizard would you choose to become a big fire elemental and be even more about doing "firey" things, so you go for inflict shock by blow innates, anyone using unarmed combat against you suffers as if passing through a wall of fire, able to cast red mana spells for TBLP, healed by fire damage, maybe a perm aura of defence, etc, etc. Or instead make your red wizard into a werewolf and when you shapeshift you gain extra life, some regen/damage reductions vs. non silver weapons, jumps, DAC and unarmed combat claws and eventually be about diving in with magic empowered claws so you can hit people with your shocks etc too without fear of being cut in half? Or is there no perceived "right way" to do it, do you find its a unique decision each time based on a specific character's class, base race, progression & roleplay? Richard |
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Sep 7 2011, 03:27 PM
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Post Police Group: Members Posts: 11,989 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Dartford Member No.: 38 |
It depends.
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Sep 7 2011, 03:29 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 5,234 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 39 |
There's no right way to do it. I've had warriors (for example) who have used the multirace to be harder warriors, or indeed to give them something completely different to do so that when there isn't a fight I still have stuff to contribute.
Stuart |
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Sep 7 2011, 03:52 PM
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Deity Group: Members Posts: 12,512 Joined: 10-November 07 Member No.: 25 |
Its all just down to personal preference really, no right or wrong way to go about it.
My personal preference involves pretty much not bothering with multi-racing! BBB -------------------- Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice...
PS, Yes, I know my PM Box is full. Email me instead... (Which you can do through the forums email) |
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Sep 7 2011, 04:37 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,420 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 115 |
Its all just down to personal preference really, no right or wrong way to go about it. My personal preference involves pretty much not bothering with multi-racing! BBB Which clearly, considering Ian's quality of spends suggests this is not the way to do it! Yes - it depends. A number of questions need to be asked Why am I Multi Racing? - if you cant answer that - don't What am I seeking to achieve? - if you can't answer that, don't bother. If you can then you have half your answer already! Chicken or Egg - Are you multi racing Were Wolf because on dungeon events and role play means it makes sense OR are you Multi Racing Were Wolf because you fancy the sort of thing a were wolf MR would give you hence you add that in to your role play. From an OOC perspective they are equally valid. Do whatever you fancy (within reason) really - I find writing multi races enjoyable from a creative perspective -------------------- |
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Sep 7 2011, 04:51 PM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,494 Joined: 2-September 08 From: London Member No.: 686 |
Which clearly, considering Ian's quality of spends suggests this is not the way to do it! But i havnt Multi raced as my 9k wizard, and cant really think of what to if i ever get round to it... except Mud elf... everyone loves mud elves. but then my 2.5k warrior multi raced early to get the damage reductions needed in early so i could buy more interesting things later on... but it didnt work out that way... im still buying immunities i need to survive dungeons. There has been lots of discussion lately about big multiraces, are they worth it? do they make the character harder then a character that only spent 800 points on one? Carlo has been moaning about his characters again mostly... -------------------- Grant.
i dOnT likE ThE iDea OF PeRmAnEnT... buT i hATe chAnGE!! |
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Sep 7 2011, 05:03 PM
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Tiffer Group: Members Posts: 3,310 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 34 |
But i havnt Multi raced as my 9k wizard, and cant really think of what to if i ever get round to it... except Mud elf... everyone loves mud elves. but then my 2.5k warrior multi raced early to get the damage reductions needed in early so i could buy more interesting things later on... but it didnt work out that way... im still buying immunities i need to survive dungeons. There has been lots of discussion lately about big multiraces, are they worth it? do they make the character harder then a character that only spent 800 points on one? Carlo has been moaning about his characters again mostly... On 'Big Multiraces' I think you get out what you put in. Aligned Elf is about 300pts and is generally seen as a waste of a multirace slot. A 3000pt adamantium golem multirace is going to give you really tough I'm-made-of-adamantium abilities that an Aligned Elf may not get even if they invest the remaining 2700pts into being a tough warrior because one character is made of a really tough metal and the other is an elf. The downside is that you have to then buy 6 levels where each level could take 2 or 3 dungeons to save up for. I've certainly got a lot of use out of my druid's multirace and that was a little over 2000pts. I doubt I'd have got some of the abilities if I got a cheaper multirace and spend the remainder on trying to achieve the same. Chris |
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Sep 7 2011, 07:21 PM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,548 Joined: 27-July 08 From: Medway Member No.: 608 |
I think some of the standard Multiraces are very strong too, Uruk Hai for instance is pretty badass especially if you pick it up for a Thug in my opinion, also Shadow Daimon is pretty sweet if your a skulky sneaky type, its pretty much gives you a ton more ways to get where you want to go without being seen.
Some of the Standard ones are pap though as pointed out, Aligned Elf is a bit meh and Child of the Pines is probably regarded as the worst. Generally i look at standard MR's first before going off into YP Territory to conjure something up, and more often than not i borrow or modify existing standard MR's. Also i look at the character first, and then think what would really suit him, his alignment, behaviour, quirks etc Si -------------------- Thade - Ebony Fire Winter Rogue / Ebony & Jade Wizard
Gast - Mantic Chromatic Immortal Half Elf Wizard Geist - Iron & Empire Dark Spirit of Glass Hiro - Definitely not an Assassin Skarlon - Tryst Noclo Warrior with Spirit innates Simon - St Michael Paladin |
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Sep 8 2011, 07:33 AM
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Avatar Group: Members Posts: 6,600 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 111 |
I hear 7th & 8th Aligned Elf is pretty strong though...
Paul & I went through a spate of looking at the worst published m/c's and attempting to write really hard 7th & 8th's to actually make them worth buying. Darsidian for example is an aligned elf... Huw |
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Sep 8 2011, 07:59 AM
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Post Police Group: Members Posts: 11,989 Joined: 23-November 07 From: Dartford Member No.: 38 |
I hear 7th & 8th Aligned Elf is pretty strong though... Paul & I went through a spate of looking at the worst published m/c's and attempting to write really hard 7th & 8th's to actually make them worth buying. Darsidian for example is an aligned elf... Huw You've really got to want to do it though, or have a specific idea Low level myths spends is where I see MR like aligned elf really helping out -------------------- |
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Sep 8 2011, 12:52 PM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,420 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 115 |
I hear 7th & 8th Aligned Elf is pretty strong though... Paul & I went through a spate of looking at the worst published m/c's and attempting to write really hard 7th & 8th's to actually make them worth buying. Darsidian for example is an aligned elf... Huw Really?! I didnt think anyone had ever bought it! I have done the same with a few standard multi races. I have an awesome 7&8 Primal Soul, Golem and Shadow Demon! I think High elf and unead have lots of potential as well. -------------------- |
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Sep 8 2011, 01:04 PM
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I have an awesome 7&8 Primal Soul, Golem and Shadow Demon! I think High elf and unead have lots of potential as well. I have had 7 and 8 High (Winter) Elf passed, but am not convinced by my version (1200 pts for immune to physical, 2 magic/spirit gaseous forms and takes perm damage from fire). If anyone can come up with a really good version I'd be interested. Getting back to the orignal question - I'd go for a multirace that you will get the points to buy before you get bored of the character. Realising that at your current rate of play you won't get to buy level 6 until 2020 is probably not a good thing. But then again I have very few multiraced characters because I have a problem getting my head round how my character turns into a 'thing'. Lucy |
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Sep 8 2011, 05:37 PM
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Really?! I didnt think anyone had ever bought it? It's a true story - lvl 7 & 8 are pretty decent - It's still not as tough as could probably have been achieved through a totally non-standard MR but it's quite handy and useful ish I also have quite a good lvl 7 & 8 of the pulished rock troll MR passed. Paul |
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May 29 2013, 06:50 AM
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hey I was wondering are there any restrictions against barony humans going multi-race demon because I have read dominion of the circle so many times and can't find anything implying any restrictions any help would be appreciated
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May 29 2013, 06:54 AM
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Mercenary Group: Members Posts: 1,147 Joined: 8-April 09 From: Brighton Member No.: 954 |
Nope, quite a few of them do and totally the route I am going as mine.
-------------------- John - Real life fat guy.
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May 29 2013, 08:18 AM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 27-August 09 From: Harlow, Essex Member No.: 1,166 |
I think High elf and unead have lots of potential as well. Yeah definatly depending on your base, my drowe scout rebirth, with drowe warrior life went high elf, drowe scout in human warrior life Never looking back on that -------------------- Jules
Seth/800 Blades - 10k - Pure Priest/Budoka/White Wizard Kazan Toshimoko - 9.8k Council Yojimbo Xeno - 6.2k - Ivory Warrior/Wizard Dipp - 4k - Far Northfolk True Awakener Sosen Oku - 3.7k - Jade Dragon Shaman (Bene/Healing/Jade Wiz) Lt Benjamin Ford - 3.6k Nightsoil Comms Grey Knight Moru - 3.1k - Twilight Elf Utility Wizard - Abel - RIP (21/08/15) |
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May 29 2013, 09:16 AM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 5,166 Joined: 28-March 08 From: Ottershaw Member No.: 446 |
My view is that generally you want to get a few things from your MR that you will not get from either MCing or standard sheets. You should also have a theme. Beyond this, pretty much anything goes as long as the story reads well.
I have strong 7/8 for several published standard MRs - rock troll & wraith being the best David |
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May 29 2013, 10:19 AM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 52 |
7th & 8th for published races are a great way to go as are add on M/C's that require 6th level in a published M/R.
I know I had a few of these in the past and the "poorness" of published M/R's that people complain about should be seen as a building block rather than all you get. -------------------- Gordon Court
Port Miere business: portmierecitycouncil@gmail.com Known to play: Amorphus, Radiant & Zaton Cast of 2009: Amorphus, Ash, Cyric, Godstone, Kessel, Prowl, Mithaniel, Radiant, Raven, Strale, Void & Vorell Cast of 2010: Amorphus, Aqueous, Blaen, Godstone, Hex, Kessel, Mithaniel, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Vanderlaine & Void Cast of 2011: Cyric, Hex & Prowl Cast of 2012: Kessel Cast of 2013: Amorphus, Golgari, Kessel, Marimar, Radiant, Strale & "Terry" Cast of 2014: Amorphus, Hex, Godstone, Golgari, Ink-Eyes, Radiant & Strale Cast of 2015: Amorphus, Karador, Radiant, Strale & Zaton Cast of 2016: Zaton Cast of 2017: Amorphus, Equinox, Godstone, Golgari, Hex, Karador, Prowl, Radiant, Variel & Zaton Cast of 2018: Amorphus, Despair, Equinox, Golgari, Karador, Lannary, Prowl, Templeton, Vanderlaine, Void & Zaton Cast of 2019: Amorphus, Despair, Kodai No Ha, Lannary, Prowl, Radiant & Zaton Cast of 2020: Amorphus, Isamaru, Karador, Kodai No Ha, Lannary, Radiant, Strale & Zaton Cast of 2021: Amorphus, Grizzled Wolf, Isamaru, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Wrynn & Zaton Cast of 2022: Golgari, Ink-Eyes, Lannary, Leovold, Prowl, Radiant, Shadowmoss, Strale, Wrynn & Zaton Cast of 2023: Isamaru, Leovold, Numai, Radiant & Zaton |
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May 29 2013, 10:34 AM
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Hero Group: Members Posts: 2,183 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 112 |
I'm still in the camp of resenting having to spend 600pts on pap to get to something decent on 7th/8th
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May 29 2013, 10:47 AM
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Legend Group: Members Posts: 4,420 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 115 |
Very few are proper pap and the 7&8 tend to be very good value. Only once (7&8 Vampire) did I get it back and not think the whole 1-8 package was not worth it.
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