Onyx disappointment Options

[jj420]

Hey everyone. I love playing bad guys which is probably prity well known by now lol.
Today while board at work I was taking a look at Onyx magic which as it's the bad guy spell list i should find it exciting........ the sad thing is i dont.

So hear is the question what have you other lovers of all things evil done with onyx to make it less of a disappointment.

Or what ideas do you have to make it better.

My first thorts are. It probably needs advocacy even more than ivory dose.
My second thorts was ways to make it do things vs none flesh and blood.

Magical causing anyone?

So what's your thorts people

JJ

[jj420]

Totaly in the wrong place lol. Should be in the ooc chat. Can someone move please

[miles]

Sonny has done work on it and i did a little, but it was soon dropped as spells are really costly and also 1 or 2 immunities and everyone is immune to it all.

Imm flesh and blood/shapeshifting/aging and diminish spirit and pretty much immune to it all

Such a massive risk monsters being totally immune to a large % of the spells.


Miles

[Cildan]

I would also like Onyx not to be shut down totally by one or two immunities of fairly small cost.

Since Immunity to involuntary shape shifting cuts out most of Onyx in one go, most of the other colours you can get half effect for, But this seems to be almost complete immunity.

Also seems there are a lot of people that are immune to Flesh & Blood which also hurts Onyx, I don't mind this one so much as you are giving up a lot for that particular immunity.

Also as others have said the spells are a lot of mana for not really much effect.

Sure Wither is devastating when it works but the odds are against it working

Also when crewing it is hard to work out how much DAC drain affects you in the middle of a fight

[Ferro]

Onxy is a bit meh.... as you say, mostly because it's so easy to be immune to.

What about using it defensively some how? I haven't really looked at the list and I don't have the books to hand but sometimes it's better to effect yourself rather than others.

I got a cool mc based on nightmares and dark but that was from black...

[Cildan]

Onxy is a bit meh.... as you say, mostly because it's so easy to be immune to.

What about using it defensively some how? I haven't really looked at the list and I don't have the books to hand but sometimes it's better to effect yourself rather than others.

I got a cool mc based on nightmares and dark but that was from black...

Maybe, but wouldn't people say that is what Jade is for?

[Labyman]

Onyx is about manipulating the body to do it harm the opposite in every way to jade

Spells I had past:

Diminish spirit to reduce someone’s maximum tblp to zero - 24 mana

Unless immune to flesh and blood you die -20 mana

One target takes +100% damage unless immune to invol shape shifting from me -20 mana

Wither by blow

Stuff like that . It’s a rubbish colour unless you have massive mana reductions and loads of mana and your relying on things not being immune to basic stuff

But if it works it’s deadly, just so much stuff is immune to it by not being living, or having the key immunities

Sonny

[Onasuma]

I mean, its not meant to be universally applicable right? Same way as Dismissal is amazingly tough on the dungeon where its undead themed, but near useless if youre on a dungeon where youre fighting gyth? Its got some real bombs, but you rely on the party in situations where your magic doesnt work. I kinda feel thats a good place for a colour of magic to be.

Pete

[Gordon]

In the world of 6 player events the party carrying a character because they don't suit the dungeon is tough.

Pair it with another colour that is always useful like brown and you are golden though.

I agree with Pete no colour should do "everything" and them having different strengths and weaknesses is good, that's also where your choice of specialists can shine.

I know Grant had some good Oynx stuff passed for his now deceased Ninja wizard.

[sonof]

I had a quick look and you need about 6 immunities to cover everything. Compared to (say) red when you need 1/2 effect fire and some MAC.

I would say a bigger issue is you use 10 mana (on a wither) on a max 750 on a tough part and the monster ignores it because they want a fight (or its a random human and the ref makes it immune). 10 of you 106 (maybe 120) us a lot so should work.

If you look at any single colour you can break it down in exactly the same way. The thing is a lot of colours have self effecting spells as well where as Onyx doesn't. Also people tend to look big at take down spells, where as a well place strength drain on a 1500 can be amazing in making a hard fight easy.

Lee

[Helsvell]

The only works on living can be a huge disbenefit - undead and elementals are clearly immune - but are demons/angels/abishais?

Also I am not sure if it is possible to get round that rule. It has put me off choosing Onyx as a colour.

Thanks,

Peter

[Ryan]

The only works on living can be a huge disbenefit - undead and elementals are clearly immune - but are demons/angels/abishais?

Also I am not sure if it is possible to get round that rule. It has put me off choosing Onyx as a colour.

Thanks,

Peter

Angels and Demons affected - Golems immune - it’s in the spell descriptions what broadly counts... also PC Golems are apparently living unless they have an app

[Cildan]

Is it worth Reveal Living being a single target of would it be better as an area effect?

[DanM]

Its also a third clutch release, so is one of the weakest colours
It takes time for a new colour to grow and develop

I think though, it was mainly used for attacking PCs when it was a new colour and it doesn't work that well against monsters

[Patch]

I was just Idly reading Onyx... and I'm not sure how you can be dissapointed with this?!?

Its a hugely versatile power, and its base glyphs seem really versatile... Dac drain, strength drain, flesh and blood, shape shifting... MAC does not apply to the damage... you compare this to most other colours and as a pure offensive power its solid to my eyes...

I stuggle to see whats "wrong" with it... with some creative yellow paper you can murder anything that does not have all of the above immunities, and sure some things will but not all.

Patch

[Ryan]

I was just Idly reading Onyx... and I'm not sure how you can be dissapointed with this?!?

Its a hugely versatile power, and its base glyphs seem really versatile... Dac drain, strength drain, flesh and blood, shape shifting... MAC does not apply to the damage... you compare this to most other colours and as a pure offensive power its solid to my eyes...

I stuggle to see whats "wrong" with it... with some creative yellow paper you can murder anything that does not have all of the above immunities, and sure some things will but not all.

Patch

Mana intensive, the cost to kill a part is disproportional to other colours... it doesn’t however lend itself brilliantly to party killing

[DavidFisher]

Mana intensive, the cost to kill a part is disproportional to other colours... it doesn’t however lend itself brilliantly to party killing

I think you mean "does"... I agree, its great as a monster part but horrible as a player.

I believe non-standard spells will likely make is more viable and it can be good for taking out a single hard part.

David