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Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 10:38 AM

Is the censure of minor swear words necessary?

I understand that children may be reading but some of the language edited would get passed as PG by the film board.

I would prefer that CMT spend their valuable time doing something a little less boring instead. Unless it has some alternate purpose we should know about.

Posted by: TimTreadwell Apr 17 2009, 11:22 AM

Personally... yes.

There's no need to swear on a group posting. A verbal outburst in the heat of the moment is not the same as typing it and then hitting "Add Reply".

And some parents will not appreciate the use of swearwords on a site used by our young players.

Tim.

Posted by: Nige Apr 17 2009, 11:31 AM

I agree with Tim.

Nige

Posted by: LucyH Apr 17 2009, 11:33 AM

Standards differ - your "minor" might be someone else's "unacceptable".

Personally I'm happy, as it shows the CMT are actually reading what's posted here.

Posted by: MattHowells Apr 17 2009, 11:35 AM

Yes, I think forum moderation is appropriate, although I would prefer posts containing swearing to be deleted rather than edited, or the poster banned.

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 11:56 AM

I think that parents have more to worry about than a small spattering of minor expletives. Have you seen what is available on the internet!

And come on. Is there really a proportion of parents who allow their children to come to what is frankly an unusual hobby and be mortally offended by a four letter word on the internet?

Is there a parent who would allow their child to use a bastard sword but stop them coming if they saw the word used to describe a child who has a father not married to his mother?

Maybe access to most of the boards have a screen that says that you must be over 16 to enter. I say sixteen as I am thinking that all the language I am referring to would be passed in a 15 rated film. A compromise between free speech and pre watershed bbc standards.

I also think that other message boards make it clear that they are not responsible for what is posted by members.

I know that while watching day time tv or listening to a track on the radio that has been censored, my attention is drawn to it far more than if it had just been left alone.

I also suspect that some of the infractions recently have been an indignant reaction to heavy handed and biased techniques utilised by the CMT of late.

Posted by: Stuart Apr 17 2009, 12:15 PM

I think it helps maintain a level of respect between people, by making it clear that certain language isn't to be tolerated. I'm pleased it's done.

A line has to be drawn somewhere, and I'm happy with where it's being drawn at the moment. It's not easy keeping a bunch of cantankerous people like us on good terms with each other and I'm glad it's not my responsibility.

An interesting question is to flip this on its head and ask whether we should tolerate snide comments and rudeness between members. This is the public face of our club and does that sort of attitude send the wrong message to potential newcomers? I'm a huge advocate of freedom, but it needs to be balanced with an acceptance of personal responsibility. If some people are unable to moderate their language to a respectable level, then unfortunately poor Andy has the thankless task of doing it for them.

Stuart

Posted by: MarkCox Apr 17 2009, 12:20 PM

I think it is necessary, some people seem unable to communicate without swearing.
It shows a disrespect to the other users of these forums.

I think prehaps they are not strong enough - and definately repeat offenders need to be warned - or have their ability to post limited in some manner.



Mark

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 12:30 PM

Good terms? I don't think God herself could do that! However, good terms are not necessary for us all to enjoy our hobby and the social element that often follows.

And I'm not surprised you are happy Stuart. After all your dungeons go ahead with four players while others are cancelled.

A happy medium and a lively board for a club where members are not treated like 5 year olds is what I hope for.

(Psychic ones at that. After all, there is no list or reference material of what is acceptable. If you said blast in front of one of my grandmothers, you were likely in big trouble as she did not find it acceptable.)

Zoe

Posted by: Stuart Apr 17 2009, 12:43 PM

I'm not sure what this has to do with moderating of posts? If you're suggesting that there's endemic bias from the CMT I suggest you raise it with them privately. I honestly believe that they do a great job under extremely difficult circumstances, and am delighted that they (along with others) have been prepared to put so much work into continuing and improving our hobby.

More strength to the arms of all those involved.

Stuart

Posted by: JulianW Apr 17 2009, 12:54 PM

On reflection I have to oppose the censorship of profanity here.

It is an excellent guide to the quality of the poster's argument.

Julian

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 01:04 PM

I'm so glad you mentioned it.

I do believe that there is a bias from the CMT and I would raise it privately were it not for my experiences previously.

Just after my 3 day last year, I was keen to offer my feedback and was told that I should contact Andy on his email.

4 week later I had not got any indication that the email had been seen. So I dropped another email to Andy asking if it was an oversight. He asked me to resend it, which I did.

When enquiries were made about the message and it's contents this week, I was told that all feedback must be submitted in paper form at the desk. The e mail is about 700 words long and as such not something that is appropriate for the form as it stands.

I object to some people having feedback accepted by electronic methods and others not.

If this attitude were isolated, I probably would still try to achieve my ends through private methods. Suffice to say it is not.

I see little reason to subject myself to being ignored further. At least here someone will read it, at least until it is taken down by the CMT. It's probably too political.

Posted by: Andrea Apr 17 2009, 01:26 PM

Yes there are parents who allow their children to take part in this hobby who are of the mind that if they can do anything to limit the childs contact with swearing and inappropriate language in general they will.

My parents were just one, and I can name current YP's parents who are adversed to it.

If you haven't noticed when behind the desk I will ask people to tone down language whether children are present or not. Yes the kids are going to hear it on tv, from their peers or in some cases from the parents. But no adult can assume to know what that kids parents want, so I blanket edit of swear words here is the responisible thing to do. I am glad of it, and if I had a child of the right age I'd be happy for them to see whats posted here.

Yes on the internet there is a lot of inappropriate content.. but that is what parental control was invented for. You can block these sites or sites containing certain things from being accessed.

Beyond all of this: Does it harm anyone to have the inappropriate language edited? Seriously? When the world is full of devestation, horrendous inhumane actions and war, surely removing the odd **** or whatever is small potatoes.

Posted by: DanM Apr 17 2009, 01:37 PM

This.

Posted by: AndrewBucknell Apr 17 2009, 01:48 PM

Both of my children play in the YP (as I know do Zoe and simon's son) My 14 year old is so used to such language from the local state run grammer school that he probably does not even notice it, whilst my 11 year old yet to leave prep school is actually confused by it.
Personally as a parent I am extremely pleased to see swear words moderated out.
As a player I also find the use of modern day swear words just wrong and have even booked off once when one character only spoke in long streams of obscenity.

Andrew (prude)

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 01:53 PM

Well here's an opinion that may be contravertial. You cannot protect children from it completely. What you should do is school them on how it is inappropriate and ineffective in most circumstances.

I heartily concur with Julian's opinion.

On the other hand, Maybe Billy's got a point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skwTGJA_Iy4&feature=PlayList&p=AF10D55F2102D608&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

Andy. I'm sure I saw a post offering to speak to me Saturday. However, after Simon's dungeon got cancelled, we have arranged to visit Chessington. I am glad that a prompt response can be procured in some circumstances and am happy to arrange a mutally acceptable date in the near future.

Zoe

Posted by: abyatt Apr 17 2009, 01:55 PM

Yup - you did. I switched it to a PM offering to meet up and discuss pretty much anything you want.
I'm in China on work for a week or so from Sunday, but certain we can fix a date
Andy

Posted by: Jan Apr 17 2009, 04:23 PM

I do not want people posting direct links to porn sites pretending that they are funny jokes, so I want censoring. I do not want people writing blatantly offensive lies about me or my friends, and as such some method for removing such lies needs to exist so I want censoring. I do not believe that people have a right to post any old poisonous **** that they want to just to get a rise out of someone they don't agree with, and so I want censoring.

There is no right to post on these forums, there is no entitlement to free speech element in play here. This is a forum for people who want to constructively be part of the community which is Labyrinthe, not just dragging down the tone of everyone elses fun simply because they are in a bad place at this time.

Very bored now of the snipings.

Jan

Posted by: ChrisAndrews Apr 17 2009, 06:50 PM

As someone who's moderated forums before I don't have a problem with it. I knew when I signed up to the forums that there'd be some moderation. There almost always is - the moderation here isn't the worst I've seen, and the CMT make the effort to mark posts as moderated unlike some places where the post is simply changed.

Personally I dislike swearwords and bad language - I think that they're overused and 99% of sentences would work just as well or better without them. I always thought it showed a certain sense of laziness - Think a bit, use the whole of the rest of our language to describe things.

Also I agree that whilst it's true that you can't shield people from the realities of the world that doesn't mean you should shove them down people's throats - would people agree with me posting hardcore pornography on the OOC section because everyone has/will see it some time so I might as well post it on the laby forums?

Chris

Edit: I also agree with Jan - Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily extend to forums. I'm all for it, but the CMT are the ones paying for the bandwidth, the servers and all that gumph. It's their website and up to them what is on it. Yeah it's perhaps not the best situation, but if you're civil and polite to everyone else I doubt you'll run afoul of them.

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 17 2009, 07:23 PM

Easy enough, and the occurances of that happening have been few and far enough between to warrent the time it needs to deal with such.



I think if they are as blatent as you describe then the post will speak for itself. Surely noone could say anything on this forum that would make a lasting difference to the possible subject of such a post. I'm not so sure that I have seen direct lies about any individual. Only opinion. It's not as if it is something a police officer lied about in court for example. THAT has lasting effects on the person.
A famous bloke once said: 'What is truth?' Let people make their own decisions rather than deciding what is good for them.



Careful Jan. That is flying very close to the line. Replacing one letter of a swear word could be considered offensive to some. Lets face it. You could try the word rubbish or trash as an alternative. Apparently, there is no need to resort to even inferring such offensive words. Or was Billy right and sometimes nothing else will do?



Everyone? That is a broad generalisation. Can you be so certain that it is everyone? Add to that it is perfectly possible to be a constructive part of the community and swear or even disagree vocally with the majority (or minority) of other members. It only drags you down if you let it. A person could always ignore it rather than crying to the boss.

My turn: I do not want a tiered system of Labyrinthe membership where your worth and in turn the support you receive from the CMT is proportionate to how much you have brown-nosed and agreed with them rather than how much you have contributed to the club in other ways.

Not only is this evident with over policing of certain peoples posts, but also with issues of consultation and consistency. We were not consulted about what we wanted to happen with the plot team or xmas three day. Add to that when some people seem to get instant resolutions to their issues while others wait several months. Another example is where the CMT make a bold statement about no shows and a huge fine, yet I know of two referees who have blown out at least one extended length dungeon at the last minute and as far as I am aware, there were no punitive measures. One has been granted considerably more responsibility since, despite multiple no shows.



I'm very bored of the double standards and apparent nepotism. Anyone would think Pete Garner was back. I told him my opinion at the time too.

Zoe

Posted by: Jan Apr 18 2009, 12:20 AM

self censored on the grounds that you should never feed the forum troll.

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 18 2009, 12:58 AM

Some people might construe that as offensive Jan. Maybe even a personal attack. I don't personally but I do refute the accusation.
A troll posts simply to elicit a reaction. I have a clear purpose with a complaint that deserves attention, even if you do not think so.

You don't have to be nice, but one on such a lofty perch of superiority, should do as he would be done by.

Hypocrisy is not pretty. Ever.

Zoe

Posted by: MattJ Apr 19 2009, 09:55 PM

Well, I've decided to throw my tuppence in on this one.

Zoe, generally I agree with you that censorship is a bad thing. However, I am happy to support it specifically on these forums. The CMT have made a decision to censor swear words from posts and I don't see a problem wih that. Ultimately, does it hurt anyone by forcing them not to swear on these forums...in my opinion, no. Does it hurt anyone to allow searing on these forums....potentially yes.

The point has been made that due to young players being on the forum it could put their parents off of allowing them to come to the club. You have made the point that they should have better things to do with ther time than monitering their children's activities on this forum, added to the fact that they will be exposed to swearing at school. Again I agree, however it is not our place to dictate to parents how they should be raising their children. Many parents are nervous about allowing their children into this hobby and knowing that their children will be interacting with sensible adults is often very important to them. If they think those adults are swearing all the time they are less likely to view those adults as sensible and are more likely to block their children from accessing the hobby. Even if you or I think it shouldn't put those parents off, it is not our decision but theirs.

So we get to the nub of it, does not swearing on these forums hurt anyone? No. Does allowing people to swear, potentially yes.

If these restrictions are bothering you there is nothing to stop you from setting up a seperate mailing group or forum and encouraging others to use it. I doubt that such a venture would be successful as it is far easier for people not to swear than to set up and use a different forum. Ultimately the CMT have made a decision which doesn't actually hurt anyone. If you don't like the decision there's nothing to stop you setting up another forum for people to use.

Matt J

Posted by: Pants Apr 20 2009, 08:36 AM

To be honest... we do play a fantasy game where we discuss daemons, hell, blood, sacrafices, and lots of other terrible things to many people due to their religon or host of other reasons.

Now I agree that swear swords of the more fruity nature, f, c, s , mf, etc should not be posted. (see what i did there).

I do think that bloody and hell and damn it, and bugger are minor to the point that in today's society and indeed in the world of LRP they are tame and indeed appear in Harry Potter.

Lets face it the next adventure we might all be eating peoples souls and hearts whilst dancing around a bonfire calling to the Black Goat of the Woods, whilst the YP are next door. (It has happened).

As towards bias, there clearly is. I am even able to make it work in my favour. That is not a good thing by the way. I can probably go through a list of bias occassions.

I am just exceptionally laid back and thus cannot be bothered by arguing with people to raise the issues most of the time, unlike others who do, I am also a fully versed up business speak man.

Posted by: DavidFisher Apr 20 2009, 09:14 AM

Personally for me, blasphamy is worse than swearing so I would prefer people to say "poo" and words related to it than damn and bloody hell.

Horses for courses

David

Posted by: Jasper Apr 20 2009, 10:36 AM

It's always seemed a bit weird that games which involved huge battles and evil gods and so on didn't have any swearing. Its ok for a 10 year old to play an unholy champion but not for him to say <edited cos I accidentally swore>? It makes no sense at all but the fact remains that lots of people think that way. The same is true in video games, films and books - violence is for some reason more acceptable than swearing.

At the end of the day, though, its up to the people who own this forum (yes, that's right, own) what the rules are. Their football, their jumpers and their park. Pretty sure everyone who registered an account here agreed to abide by the rules. I haven't actually checked but I would be surprised if there wasn't a rule about language.

As for bias - meh. Some people always believe that if they don't get their way there must be some huge conspiracy against them and some other people are only human. I'm certainly biased towards people I like and I imagine everyone else is too.

As for censorship I'll just say "everyone who works in the education system is both a child abuser and an incompetant fool" and leave it at that.

J

Posted by: Bruno Apr 20 2009, 10:46 AM

Personally the mis-spelling of words like incompetent is far more upsetting to me than any swear-word but I am well aware that swearing does bother some people, so in a fairly public forum, I don't do it.

Posted by: Jasper Apr 20 2009, 10:54 AM

Doh. I work in the education system too. Double doh.

J

Posted by: Pants Apr 20 2009, 11:33 AM

Indeed there has always been bias. People will always perceive certain decisions as biased if it does not go there way.

However just because we accept it exists does not mean it should. I am talking about once decision for x as against the decision to y where the cases are similar and there are no erronous differences tha would cause the alternative decision.

I work in sales and the job is all about bias, make the client like you more personally than the competition and even if your more expensive they will still go with you.

All I need now is to know how to make people like me. :-)


Anyway probably not helping to diffuse the situation.

Posted by: MattHowells Apr 20 2009, 12:41 PM

It depends on the context. Some kids participating in mock violence in the context of a fantasy role-playing game is, indeed, more acceptable to me than somebody telling me to **** off. Forums are a very poor method of communication where it is easy to type stupid things and to misinterpret what others are saying in the absence of body language and tone of voice. The censorship of posts is I believe intended to foster respectful communication, among other things, and should be supported.

Posted by: Brucifer Apr 20 2009, 02:51 PM

As an interesting aside, what do ppl think of swearing IC during a dungeon. For me it really puts me back in the 21st century rather than a Dark Ages/Fanstasy setting to here a ratfolk tell me to '**** ***'.

And i agree that swearing should be limited, but words like bugger, bloody hell etc are tame compared to most things. As with all though its up to the organisers to make their rules and enforce them (which they now do).



B

Posted by: Gordon Apr 20 2009, 03:53 PM

IC/period insults are the way forward.

Posted by: DanM Apr 20 2009, 04:27 PM

Well, you'd be wrong...

But the religion is a crock ***** thread is for another day

Posted by: Pants Apr 21 2009, 09:18 AM

Well done Dan! :-)

It depends sometimes I dont mind IC swearing lets face it I do it. But sometimes I annoy myself.

I think what everyone is also forgetting is that English is an amazing language with the largest vocab of any other. (mainly as we steal words). However also we have the most swear words... why... well because they are emotive and can beused to express a whole host of things.

Posted by: giles Apr 21 2009, 07:23 PM

Atcherlly, almost none of you will be fascinated to discover that **** is a good old fashioned Dark Ages Anglo Saxon word (Old English I think to be precise) - it means 'beat'. In fact the Anglo Saxon term for eagle was 'wynd ******'.
My charming aside aside, this isn't a plea for authenticity, not least because I like warm showers and cotton undergarments. Speaking personally I'm quite happy with there being low to no swearing - yes I am sure there are times (and I agree) when only a rude word will do - but (for me at least) none of them are at the weekends when I am dressed as a wizard or a goblin - or talking about such things (which is selfishly all I want from these forums).

Just as an aside I quite likes the rationale/rules Alan has on the HotE board - which were basically no swearing and never more than 1 exclamation mark.

cheers,

Giles.

Posted by: JossDixon Apr 22 2009, 04:56 PM

I haven't bothered to read half of the posts here, because frankly it's guessable it's people unloading into each other, but basically I'm a YP, and I agree that swearing should be moderated, but like Bruce said words like crap, arse and bugger are just mild and should be allowed. Personally what I find really draws thing out of character is when people start saying stuff like **** and ****** - because people then laugh at it and things deteriorate.

For example, I'd be annoyed if I heard:
"Lol, he's dead ****** ****** him!!!"
<laughter>

But not:
"You half-arsed *******!"
"Shut up you goblin, you smell like *****"

Anyways, Zoe, I think that while I miss the way it was when I was in my first year, when it felt more like a secret organisation of nutters, Labyrinthe has become more public, and so needs a more presentable image (Yes I know I'm not exactly warm to new players), and I know there are parents who look over their child's shoulder when they're on the computer.

So frankly, if you like to spew obscenities around your child, or just generally, then that's your choice.
Many things should be shared, but swearing is not one of them.
And I do swear at Labyrinthe, but I do realise it, and I do try and limit myself.
Ha, I just remembered a phrase from the IT crowd:
"Will you watch your ruddy language, my ears are not a toilet!"
Though in this case it's eyes aswell

Joss.
Unfriendly Neighbourhood Young Player.

Posted by: Jasper Apr 23 2009, 12:52 AM

Well put, Joss.

Posted by: JossDixon Apr 23 2009, 04:59 PM

Well, <ehem> I am experienced in the...er...whateverthisis...business

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 23 2009, 05:40 PM

I think some of you may have missed my point.

If you notice, I do not swear in my posts. (At least I don't think I have. It certainly is not a regular occurance.)

However, I think that time spent censoring certain minor swear words could be better spent doing something more useful.

I do think there is a bias and this post quite clearly demonstrates it.

Some of you have used words as example of what you find acceptable that have remained unedited, that for other posters have been changed. This suggests to me that a person is doing the censoring but not based on the word but the poster.

I also find it hypocritical to substiute symbols for letters within what are clearly swear words. If the reason for censoring is to protect the young and impressionable then this should also be censored. (and maybe villified as much as those who swear for real.)

While a noble cause, it is made less valid by sporadic enforcement against those who are subject to an alternate agenda. My hope is that by pointing such bias out those perpertrating it might at least go back to doing it a little more covertly. If I'm really lucky they might even stop.

Posted by: AndyWashington Apr 23 2009, 06:09 PM

Although I may be wrong might it not also be indicative of one of the cmt being out of the country with work? The CMT have said that they do not read every post and if they are busy with stuff then maybe these words have not been noticed? Every post has a 'report' button next to it for if people find it objectionable, I would think that on at least some occasions when posts have been edited it is much more likely that it has been brought to their attention by an offended member (or member's parent) rather than they have trawled the forums looking for such themselves.

Andy

Posted by: MarkCox Apr 23 2009, 06:54 PM

Zoe - you might not understand who the swearing thing works - if i or any other member sees a post they feel is inappropriate there is the report post function - I do this fairly regularily - this brings it to the attention of the site admins who can then moderate the post.

-
mark

Posted by: ZoeMercer Apr 23 2009, 07:03 PM

I understand.

A complaint is made and depending on who makes the complaint and who it is against, the CMT decide what is appropriate to do.

An experiment is called for I feel. I'll let you know the results.

Posted by: MarkCox Apr 23 2009, 07:26 PM

Remember it also relies on someone reporting the post - or the CMT reading all th eposts - which they don't do.

-
mark

Posted by: Andrea Apr 23 2009, 08:21 PM

Once a post has been flagged, however someone does that, the CMT read the post and make a judgement. This is NOT based on who is reporting and who it's said against, it's based on the content. If it's a swearing issue they edit rather than remove, which is something many forums don't do... normally posts are removed without comment.

And I would agree with Andy Washington here, Andy B is in China and Phil is, I am sure, incredibly busy what with a full time job, family commitments, CMT meetings and other CMT duties and preparing both on a business and personal level for the 3 day (bearing in mind I have flooded them with questions about the 3-day so I can feed people and I am sure that ref's, monsters and players are also adding their share of emails/phone calls this week).

As Mark has pointed out users of this website use the "report" function and in my experience it's used a lot more than we think... I don't think you can say the CMT are to "blame" for a bias when they are responding to the use of the report button... if there is bias then in this case, it's a bias of the member's. And I say that having read the overwhelming support of the swearing policy on this thread.

Posted by: SteveBatchelor Apr 24 2009, 11:23 AM

I've read all this over a cup of coffee this morning and must say I've found it really interesting. I suppose I'm just old fashioned, after all I am old.

I don't see any need at all to swear on publically accessed forums, personally I think it just encourages antisocial behavior, it looks really sloppy, and most of the time is competely and utterly uncalled for.

My view is that we live in an imperfect world, moderation is necessary, and it should be done using a consistent set of rules to ensure that everyone is left feeling as though they are treated in the same manner.

However, that would be a perfect world, and so I guess we must just accept that sometimes people make mistakes.

<shrug> Just my opinion.

Posted by: Salamander Apr 24 2009, 08:09 PM

I have finally managed to read through all of this thread and agree whole heartedly with the deletion of swear words...
This is a forum for everybody to communicate about our hobby and doing so should not be blighted by profanities.
Different people have different standards and as this forum is for everybody we should aim to not to offend anybody.

How would a prospective YP parent feel if their child had just mentioned Labyrinthe to them and they wanted more info and they googled it only to find a forum flooded with cursing? They would never let their child try out the hobby...

On the subject that someone raised:

I and I think everyone who plays Labyrinthe understands that It Is Not Real!
We know that those sort of things do not happen in real life and would never re-enact them...
However: Obscene language does happen in real life and treating it as a normality is downright wrong as it infulences the young.
On the subject of some people getting offended because of their religion I find it hard to see where they are coming from really... I am a Roman Catholic and I feel fine with all of the examples above because once again I know that they are not real. I'm fine with priests being played because there is no intent to cause offence... It is just part of a game... moreover a game I thouroughly enjoy


Whilst for some people who swear often in everyday life it is an immediate response to useobsceneties to express strong opinions for most people they come out as exclamations and are often regretted afterwards.
This is a forum and thus exclamations are almost impossible due to the fact that it can take a while to press post. You have to click on the button or hit tab then enter. Thus you have ample time to have calmed down and thought better of your heat-of-the-moment profanity.


All in all I am pleased how swearing is moderated on these forums and am grateful for the CMT for putting the time and effort into maintaining a site where we can converse about our past-time.



P.S. Is there no way to have an automatic swear block? I have seen it on other forums where it will automatically look for and block common swear-words and some variations on their spelling.

P.P.S. Woah that took a long time to write!

Posted by: SRussell Apr 24 2009, 08:11 PM

I've seen a lot of automatic forum moderation software. Banned words list is created, job done. There does seem to be a lot of time spent on moderating posts which this could solve.

However I've only ever found Cotter to cross my limit of acceptable swearing, repeatedly and brazenly. Directed moderation might be a better answer.

Posted by: ClobberClub Apr 24 2009, 08:21 PM

Yeah, what he said...

No, seriously!

Posted by: Andrea Apr 24 2009, 10:00 PM

I believe it can be set so that everyone or individuals are permenantly moderated and can not post swear words... but I think the CMT are trying to create a standard that everyone should try to work to. Besides, people should be able to self-moderate through common sense... although from my experience common sense is not that common

Posted by: NickMonsterSands Apr 25 2009, 07:32 AM

On a tangent..

Whilst there can be swearing a plenty in the cafe area, i don't recall the last time i heard any In Game.
Which is often far more "In the heat of the moment".

How very odd.

*wanders off looking for Tolkiens Big Book O Bad Bad Words in Elvish*

Posted by: Salamander Apr 25 2009, 07:57 AM

True...
Guidelines are often far more constructive than actual: "Thou shalt not..." kind of rules

Then again the automatc deletion of some of the stronger words may shield younger users who may not have actually ever heard them. Rather than giving them the opportunity to read them before the CMT has a chance to delete them.

Posted by: JossDixon Apr 26 2009, 04:00 PM

"Mummy, what does **** mean?"
<Gasp> <Faint>

Posted by: abyatt Apr 27 2009, 09:51 AM

Further to the suggestions on this thread, we have now had a content filter added to these forums.
This filter is presently empty, but we will be populating this over the coming months, and we will add new items to that filter as we go.

Andy

Posted by: Bruno Apr 27 2009, 09:53 AM

Good stuff, thanks Andy

Posted by: Salamander Apr 27 2009, 07:19 PM

Wow! That was promt!
Thanks!

Posted by: MattJ Apr 27 2009, 09:03 PM

Anyone up for a game of "who can get the most bizarre word added to the content filter"

I have a friend that once persuaded my friend's sister that "Croutons" was a swear word!

Matt J

Posted by: JossDixon May 1 2009, 06:35 PM

Lol...Nice one Andy, I think it proves club members do get their posts read!

Posted by: Baronblackrose May 2 2009, 01:25 PM

Honestly I have to agree. I knwo some message boards have an automatic censorinf string in their programming. But I just see it as we really don't have to swear to make our points get across. I knwo some people for goddess knows why. Can;t get their points across without letting several F bombs fly. And some other colorful expletive deleteds as well. I just think theer are ebtter ways to express ones self then going down that road. Although I would hope people would be able to filter themselves instead. But rules are rules. And I try to abide by them.