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Rethrisse
post Dec 5 2013, 08:04 PM
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Note: Yes, I know, Incubi are sex demons. I'm not doing it that way, just going for being a cross between charming and terrifying. Currently a demon-touched human monk.

Here's what I have on the paper:

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1
The demonic taint begins to grow, and the character physically becomes an Incubus. Counts as demonkind in all ways; must wear horns to represent this. Discerns as “Incubus” for race, rather than “Human”.

2
The Incubus learns to manipulate the euphoric energies that possess him, and can use them to evoke similar feelings in others. Gain Innate Mantic Beguile x___ levels (___, ___).

3
The Incubus learns to reverse his sensational powers, to instead induce abject shame and terror in others. Gain Innate Mantic Cause Fear x ___ levels (___, ___).

4
Agonising Caress –The very touch of an Incubus can bring terrible pleasure or exquisite agony. 1/day for 5 minutes, may deal Mantic Pain (as per the 2 mp Ebony spell) by unarmed combat blow (___, ___).

5
His Horrendous Majesty – The demonic nature of the Incubus intensifies, and this unnerving essence can be much more easily manipulated to instil terror. Gain 1/day Innate Mantic Cloak of Fear (___, ___)

6
Entrancing Aura –The Incubus has completed his transformation, and merely looking upon him is both unsettling and delightful. Gain 1/day Innate Mantic Cloak of Beguilement (___, ___).

Post-6th
Unprimal Strike ___ points – For 5 minutes, may call “Demonic” damage with weapon blows (___, ___)

7
Transcendent Schadenfreude – The Incubus learns how to use the emotions in others to heal himself, literally feeding upon their veneration and fear. Uses of Innate Beguile or Cause Fear miracles heal the Incubus for 12/6, x ___ levels per day (___, ___)

8
The Incubus learns how to take on his true demonic nature as an incorporeal invader of dreams, becoming a purely spiritual figure of horrifying majesty. 1/day Spirit Form (___, ___). Verbal: “I call upon the essence of the darkest desires in the heart of every creature – let my form twist and show my true nature, between reality and reverie! Behold, your dreams and nightmares, made flesh!”

Post-8th
The Incubus is now a consummate master of manipulation. All innates of this multi-race now affect targets of equal resistance levels to his own. (___, Table ___)

A few questions:
Is this too OP? (On the one hand, yes for mantic pain by touch, but no because it's mostly domination fx which will be useless at high levels)
Will the demonic damage thing be at all handy? Has that ever come up? (It just seemed like a neat idea)
Can I include the 7th and 8th on the same YP sheet? Or do I have to apply for it later?
Is the healing ability going to be worth it? If not, what would work better (in people's opinions)?
Is the post-8th ability too powerful/going to get passed? I felt a bit cheeky for putting it down, so I added the "cost x points on y table" thing to give the GSM potential to delay it.

Overall, thoughts? Happy to listen to all smile.gif


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Alasdair
post Dec 5 2013, 11:39 PM
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Well thought through, even if a bit odd (incubis?) a few thoughts...


Cloak of fear/beguilement are v specific miracles, and hard. Given this level of spiritual specialisation consider SP restrictions (no longer bracket pure, may enter SP bracket only... Etc). Doing these mantically to 8th/9th level affects dungeons in a big way!

As a demon it is a bit odd to have SP only innates. I understand 1st class monk, but still... Spirit Form innates (but demonic weapon blows!?) and doesn't make sense to me in game dynamics... A weak mantically form (imm physical, magic and/or spirit hits only) makes some sense.

But what do I know?!?

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post Dec 6 2013, 12:25 AM
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Nice idea - but I can't help but think you might have been better off just starting a blauz monk or even a blauz pure priest and then gone chi warrior ? (you get terror scream, beguile innates).

Spirit Form innates for a 1st Class monk will be expensive - if you get them, probably sufficiently expensive to not want them.

Re. Mantic Pain - well Pain does physical damage, not magical so is there much point in having it Mantically ?
I don't think it's overpowered, I think it'd be expensive and for stuff that isn't necessarily worth it. The sticking point, for me, is not the Multi-race but the starting class.

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Rethrisse
post Dec 6 2013, 12:28 AM
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I want to stay absolutely bracket pure for this character. I looked at the other demon multi-races, I figured mantic stuff wouldn't be that costly. Especially since mine are non-combat things (except the fears, but at high levels those won't matter much against any important fights like bosses etc.) The spirit form is an end-of-day sort of dealy as I intend to take the weapon master MC (hence: bracket purity).


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post Dec 6 2013, 08:18 AM
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It'll be expensive - Mantic stuff always is.
I'd suggest starting it out with levels 1-6 being Spiritual, rather than Mantic.
(In reality the difference between the two will tend to be non-existent, but making things Mantic doubles the points cost so you'll pay a premium on something you're unlikely to really need).
Post 6th then look in to upgrading specific bits to Mantic - as then you can spread out the points cost and only get things you specifically need as Mantics.


A Multi-Race is about the only way to get a really big/useful damage reduction too...
May be worth trying to squeeze something like "Dispondant Aura - perm 25% damage reduction, which is a Spiritual Emotion effect"
Something you can look at upgrading post 6th, but which gives you a clear path to walk down.


Keep in mind if you're thinking in terms of being bracket pure you may be tempted by Battle Master, and having high level innates will interfere with that Multi-Class.


The Demonic damage for 5 mins: Perhaps making them upgrades to Strike the Heart, or to Ki-Strikes or something, so that you're (again) spreading the cost out and not having to pay for a big thing in a single package.




Other than that, in answer to your question, Level 7 & 8 need to be applied for on a seperate sheet.
Personally I'd hold off and just wait until 1-6 are passed in a form that you're happy with before looking at 7 & 8.
Then hold off still further until you've played up to 6th and get a feel for what other bits and bobs the character needs.
Then attatch a photocopy of 1-6 when you do submit the higher levels.
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post Dec 6 2013, 08:20 AM
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Looks about right to me

I would lose the level of effect on the abilities and make them non level based - it is a multi race and you haven't made it over powered in any other way

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post Dec 6 2013, 09:32 AM
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My blauz has a succubus MR passed, it basically enhances my curent Blauz stuff (begules are no Spiritual masterys, fears affect is improved i.e. immunity to fear does not apply alone) and a few extra things stuff as sleep.

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post Dec 6 2013, 10:40 AM
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Clearly the most important thing though is that all your abilities have names of Incubus songs... loads of good potential abilities there.

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post Dec 6 2013, 11:25 AM
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I would have thought, that as a monk you would refuse to use your mantic abilities, as they have magic bound to them?


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post Dec 6 2013, 01:13 PM
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Mantics =/= magic
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:14 PM
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Why not drop the mantics and just do it all spiritual ?
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:35 PM
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Much obliged for all the help, guys smile.gif

Main points of advice seem to be: remove Mantic, make spiritual (sounds good to me, I'll upgrade later), make the pain by blow purely physical (makes sense), and apply for levels 7+8 separately, and later.

Still happy to take comments, this has been really handy smile.gif also, this will be my first YS application, so hope to get some leniency ^^


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Horus - Warrior. Smash. (8th)
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(Rethrisse @ Dec 6 2013, 01:35 PM) *
Much obliged for all the help, guys smile.gif

Main points of advice seem to be: remove Mantic, make spiritual (sounds good to me, I'll upgrade later), make the pain by blow purely physical (makes sense), and apply for levels 7+8 separately, and later.

Still happy to take comments, this has been really handy smile.gif also, this will be my first YS application, so hope to get some leniency ^^


What alignment are you?

Also you could potentially become a more spiritual being eg try and get only affected by spirits and physical
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:47 PM
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Believe he is LE


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Seth/800 Blades - 8519 - Pure Priest/Budoka/White Wizard
Kazan Toshimoko - 6550 Council Yojimbo
Dipp - 3060 Awakener (Comms based)
Xeno - 2166 Ivory Warrior/Wizard
Sosen Oku - 1410 Force Priest
Harijan - 1260 Outcast Drowe Scout
Druzil - 1149 Kharmic Sidhe Artificer
Sheltered Grove - 415 Wood Elf High Druid
Lt Benjamin Ford - Nightsoil Grey Knight
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post Dec 6 2013, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(Naga @ Dec 6 2013, 01:38 PM) *
What alignment are you?

Also you could potentially become a more spiritual being eg try and get only affected by spirits and physical


I'm lawful evil, but very polite and refined (I.e. if a wizard casts a spell on me for beneficial reasons, i will content myself with breaking his arm). I'm one if the heads of the newly formed Bathhouse guild in deci.

Total immunity to magic would be lovely, but I feel I'd need something like a Word of recall (which takes me back to the bathhouse) for when I inevitably get trapped.


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Caligula - Evil Pure Priest of the Church of Dead Heroes (Necromancy/Warding) (715 points)
Horus - Warrior. Smash. (8th)
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post Dec 6 2013, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Rethrisse @ Dec 6 2013, 01:47 PM) *
I'm lawful evil, but very polite and refined (I.e. if a wizard casts a spell on me for beneficial reasons, i will content myself with breaking his arm). I'm one if the heads of the newly formed Bathhouse guild in deci.

Total immunity to magic would be lovely, but I feel I'd need something like a Word of recall (which takes me back to the bathhouse) for when I inevitably get trapped.


Just make sure no hell Company follow you back to the bathhouse.. otherwise there could be a fair amount of explaining to do



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Ningyou Dansu - Honoured One, Celestial Mind (Mystic plus)
Supai- Awakener
Serenity - Tainted Ramillion shard, Absent Blade (budoka/ warrior priest)
Esmerelda Dawbringer - Human Noble, Pure Priest
Lilith Darkthorn - Blauz, Assassin/Wizard
Bayushi Nanori - Amles Human, Warrior
Devana - Nightsoil, Silver Wizard
Opal - Dwarf, 'stone' Guardian (forest guardian)
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post Dec 6 2013, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(LauraSB @ Dec 6 2013, 04:48 PM) *
Just make sure no hell Company follow you back to the bathhouse.. otherwise there could be a fair amount of explaining to do


To clarify, I like Primus the way it is tongue.gif such a shame that there must be others out there like me who wish otherwise...


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Caligula - Evil Pure Priest of the Church of Dead Heroes (Necromancy/Warding) (715 points)
Horus - Warrior. Smash. (8th)
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post Dec 6 2013, 04:57 PM
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Are you a western monk?

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post Dec 6 2013, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(Naga @ Dec 6 2013, 04:57 PM) *
Are you a western monk?


Yea, but if you asked him he would say he is a Maitre D'.


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Caligula - Evil Pure Priest of the Church of Dead Heroes (Necromancy/Warding) (715 points)
Horus - Warrior. Smash. (8th)
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post Dec 8 2013, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(LauraSB @ Dec 6 2013, 04:48 PM) *
Just make sure no hell Company follow you back to the bathhouse.. otherwise there could be a fair amount of explaining to do


If Hell company just start following men into bath houses then there will be alot of explaining to do all round!
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