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OliverHarud
post Mar 4 2017, 11:04 PM
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Hello! SO, this is the message board! I have honestly have never used one before, just looked like a sea of writing that I never fancied ploughing through! “Play mostly warrior types do you?” “Yes, how did you guess?”
….. ANNYYY way, I have a question for you, whoever you are that reads this and reply, so, mostly wizard and scout types I am guessing, so you might not be the best crowd for this, but you are the best place I know to start.
I have never had a character that uses a two handed weapon, and I would like to have a go, I am thinking Kensi, I have some fabulous oriental costume and a terrible oriental accent that I enjoy torturing the party with, but are they any good for a character that will probably play a bunch of random dungeons? and I will probably not get any higher than two / three thousand points, should I just play a straight oriental warrior? is there much difference at the lower levels? would a straight warrior have more of a chance of surviving? what other good classes are there for fighting with a two handed weapon and having a half way decent chance of surviving and having a bit of fun?
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post Mar 4 2017, 11:15 PM
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My own experience taught me get fap and healing... my b class warrior in a paladin based on that and I'm relatively happy. Kensai is crazy tough to ply due to life scale I'd actually say assassin done warrior is almost better...
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post Mar 5 2017, 09:11 AM
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Hello, I play a troll warrior. Loads of roleplaying involved plus strength at 6th level more strength at post 8th so you are doing triple at 6th level then quads at post 8th with your double handed weapon.
You do not have to worry about the complication of learning spiritual or magical spells, just an eye on the time for your regeneration cycle 1 point TOB and LOC per 5 mins of time in.

Hope this helps

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post Mar 5 2017, 01:51 PM
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Ollie

First get on with the comic!!

Second, oriental plain warrior has more life expectancy and can wear armour so that along with more life you have more chance to survive. Then if you want to go down the kimono route multiclass to a non standard kensai later. I am sure that Tim T will help.... OR even multiclass warrior priest of swords for spirits and healing (non standard)

Just have fun

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post Mar 5 2017, 02:27 PM
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Kensai, or 'Glass Cannons' are good fun but low life expectancy.
Try Clan Panama for direction and forearm parry


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post Mar 5 2017, 02:33 PM
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Warrior taking skirmisher - grants some DAC and FAP (or Bilteve Pit Fighter status works)

Ensure you have lots of healer girlfriends about to keep you up and moving

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post Mar 5 2017, 02:37 PM
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As someone who has played a 1/2 elf pure B Class warrior to 10k without any parries it is tough.

Issues are compounded by the increased volume of "Touch Fx's" you take with no shield to block them and referee stating, as the more "constructs" and high global hit creatures the tougher the fights become.

Nowadays however you have access to the Warrior Tradition "Skirmisher" which gives you access to Forearm Parry without needing to be oriental or a FAP published class.

Monk gives you access to the best parries and comes with DAC, warrior the most life and published numericals etc.

With the latest books there are many multiclass options to help with long term development.

If you fancy playing an Oriental, then be a 1st Class Warrior and take skirmisher and work from there. Then later you can go Budoka if you just want parries but access to items, or Kensai if you want to explore that option. My advice would be play and see and let your IC journey shape the direction you develop in.


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post Mar 5 2017, 04:26 PM
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This is all brilliant thank you!
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post Mar 5 2017, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(Gordon @ Mar 5 2017, 02:37 PM) *
As someone who has played a 1/2 elf pure B Class warrior to 10k without any parries it is tough.

Issues are compounded by the increased volume of "Touch Fx's" you take with no shield to block them and referee stating, as the more "constructs" and high global hit creatures the tougher the fights become.

Nowadays however you have access to the Warrior Tradition "Skirmisher" which gives you access to Forearm Parry without needing to be oriental or a FAP published class.

Monk gives you access to the best parries and comes with DAC, warrior the most life and published numericals etc.

With the latest books there are many multiclass options to help with long term development.

If you fancy playing an Oriental, then be a 1st Class Warrior and take skirmisher and work from there. Then later you can go Budoka if you just want parries but access to items, or Kensai if you want to explore that option. My advice would be play and see and let your IC journey shape the direction you develop in.




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QUOTE(Ryan @ Mar 4 2017, 11:15 PM) *
My own experience taught me get fap and healing... my b class warrior in a paladin based on that and I'm relatively happy. Kensai is crazy tough to ply due to life scale I'd actually say assassin done warrior is almost better...





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post Mar 5 2017, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(stomperwombat @ Mar 5 2017, 09:11 AM) *
Hello, I play a troll warrior. Loads of roleplaying involved plus strength at 6th level more strength at post 8th so you are doing triple at 6th level then quads at post 8th with your double handed weapon.
You do not have to worry about the complication of learning spiritual or magical spells, just an eye on the time for your regeneration cycle 1 point TOB and LOC per 5 mins of time in.

Hope this helps

Stomps.




Thank you!
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OliverHarud
post Mar 5 2017, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(AndrewBucknell @ Mar 5 2017, 01:51 PM) *
Ollie

First get on with the comic!!

Second, oriental plain warrior has more life expectancy and can wear armour so that along with more life you have more chance to survive. Then if you want to go down the kimono route multiclass to a non standard kensai later. I am sure that Tim T will help.... OR even multiclass warrior priest of swords for spirits and healing (non standard)

Just have fun

Andrew
BTW join the snake clan. (as you wont know my clan which is phoenix)




HA! It is coming on! and thank you for the reply! ...... it is looking like a straign warrior then experiment later I think.
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post Mar 5 2017, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(fatteacher @ Mar 5 2017, 02:27 PM) *
Kensai, or 'Glass Cannons' are good fun but low life expectancy.
Try Clan Panama for direction and forearm parry




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OliverHarud
post Mar 5 2017, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Mar 5 2017, 02:33 PM) *
Warrior taking skirmisher - grants some DAC and FAP (or Bilteve Pit Fighter status works)

Ensure you have lots of healer girlfriends about to keep you up and moving

David





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post Mar 5 2017, 06:47 PM
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Ollie, you're pretty good at sword fighting, just buff up on your style to account for a B-Class and FAP, and I suspect you'll make a lot of headway on skill alone.


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post Mar 5 2017, 10:34 PM
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I'd say warlock.

Means you can do some other stuff as well. Similarly grey knight or AP would work. Pure warrior is fun but a bit limiting. as soon as you encounter anything other than a bloke to try and kill having something else up your sleeve can help.

I'd also recommend the guard tradition as this means you can buy distancing based abilities a table earlier.





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post Mar 6 2017, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(Hulud @ Mar 5 2017, 06:47 PM) *
Ollie, you're pretty good at sword fighting, just buff up on your style to account for a B-Class and FAP, and I suspect you'll make a lot of headway on skill alone.
Neil.



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post Mar 6 2017, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(RichardCraig @ Mar 5 2017, 10:34 PM) *
I'd say warlock.

Means you can do some other stuff as well. Similarly grey knight or AP would work. Pure warrior is fun but a bit limiting. as soon as you encounter anything other than a bloke to try and kill having something else up your sleeve can help.

I'd also recommend the guard tradition as this means you can buy distancing based abilities a table earlier.




It did cross my mind, but they even weekend than Kensi?
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post Mar 6 2017, 11:33 AM
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Warlocks get defensive spells now which makes a lot better as power up warriors - Ivory, Brown or Grey are good.


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post Mar 6 2017, 12:09 PM
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yes warlocks are certainly much better these days, and having something like plate(s) or shatter up your sleeve as well as easy magic damage through empower weapon I think makes a big improvement to life expectancy.

Similarly grey knight could be potent with the inclusion of some spirit invis/spirit shield innates.

As I said before the amount of times you fight 'just blokes' is very small so having something in your back pocket to even up the disadvantages of using a b class weapon is really needed.

I've got 5K of b class monk and the lack of supernatural damage and defences is my main downfall and getting there was a real slog at times, conversely I have 2k of b class warlock who was much more enjoyable to play.

I think the issue with a Kenzi is that they don't really have any progression that makes them unique, 1st class warriors can buy a lot of what they can do and be in more life and still m/c wizard or something in the future.








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