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JulianW
post Jul 3 2015, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Jul 1 2015, 11:09 AM) *
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Bran

For some reason I can't find the original announcement but surely your sentence is over by now?

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post Jul 5 2015, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(sonof @ Jul 3 2015, 07:51 PM) *
OK,

So can people please not leave the church over who else is in it?
We don't need to like each other, we just need to remember we are all working towards the same aims:

Remembering the tales of heroes
Using these tales to inspire the next generation of heroes
Protecting the people of the Empire, and Primus as a whole.

Some people will disagree with necromancy, some will use brutal methods to achieve our ends, but in the end we all want to ensure that when we are finally laid to rest and our tales recorded there is a world here to listen to them and be inspired by them.

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I agree with everything you have said

However

This isn't about someone being a Drowe or someone being a necromancer

This issue is with an individual who is responsible in direct conflict with the beliefs of this faith for the deaths and suffering of untold numbers of people. Including a member of this faith.

I would be genuinely interested (and sorry Ma'am but we have never met - but clearly you are important and so have some sense) what someone could possibly have told you in private that could have laid your mind to rest over this matter... It is like what Drew, myself and others who actually know this man and know what he did are invisible...

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Jack
post Jul 5 2015, 08:06 PM
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Yeah I think that whatever was said to Milly should be said to all of us. This does not sit easy with me. It would be like if someone let Raven join the knights again...

I think this would be the best and easiest way to clear this up.

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Ryan
post Jul 5 2015, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(JulianW @ Jul 3 2015, 10:54 PM) *
Bran

For some reason I can't find the original announcement but surely your sentence is over by now?

Aramis



Aramis,

You are quite right I am indeed a free man (I even had a bad case of the dead forevers since I was sentenced) but I just loved the work so much I stayed on - they gave me a rank and everything!

Bran

As for this thing with Gideon... Not sure he is having any of my stuff now but if Andrics giving him the all clear its good enough to me (he's never steered me wrong) - if he's an enemy of the empire and we ever meet I'll know powers of deceit or not! One good thing about work in the penal legion you can just tell a crook - they walk funny...
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Jack
post Jul 6 2015, 06:31 PM
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Enemies of the land aren't always enemies of the Empire.

Do you have anything to say Andric?

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post Jul 6 2015, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(Jack @ Jul 6 2015, 07:31 PM) *
Enemies of the land aren't always enemies of the Empire.

Do you have anything to say Andric?

Rufus.


I have said what I have needed to say and my decision is final.

Gideon is a member of the faith. People do not have to like it, as Lucius says as long as everyone venerates their Heroes, recalls their stories so that others remember them, and we act for the good of the world we live in and the people in it, then that's all that matters.

I would appreciate people not dragging this on any longer. You don't have to like my decision, you don't even have to like each other - that is not what we are about. It just helps if we do and I consider a lot of you close friends.

By several accounts, Gideon has done some bad things. Awful things. These were years ago, and if they are true, then I would rather have him within the Church than not - and if they are not true I do not want to turn my back on one who would venerate and tell stories of forgotten heroes. I have spoken with him at great depth and he has explained in huge detail. This is enough for me.

However, he is not outlawed by the Empire, and thus has the right to join. Should he be outlawed at any point (as with any of you) then facts will need to be considered and potential excommunication (which, I am not afraid to do) will occur.

I have never had to excommunicate. I don't think I will and I think the fundamental beliefs of this Church are strong and a positive influence on it's members. Treare joined, and we had similar arguments and I have never regretted that decision (yes, he is probably hibernating in a tunnel somewhere now, but he was an active priest of our faith for nearly a year and caused no trouble) I honestly believe, had I turned him away he would have gone back to his old, villainous, nefarious ways.

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Estarriol
post Jul 7 2015, 12:09 AM
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I'm going to say a few things now. I am not going to talk about the Ainesford event which I will deal with privately - it is not something I will discuss in public, certainly not now. But I will talk about some of the other words said against me here and in public, which I found in equal parts sad, and sadly amusing.

I have been hunted for most of my life - very long by human standards - for various reasons, most of which amounted to my temerity to exist as a Drowe, to be born with a black soul and black skin, and of course to be born male - my mother was very disappointed by that one. You do not have to know that world well to imagine that it is a hostile one and the lessons learned in it were not pretty ones. Many attempts were made to kill me, to murder my entire family, or at least to enslave and torture us, to destroy us one unpleasant way or another. As a young nobleman, most of the lessons my tutors taught were in politics and death, and how to survive both. Some of you may not know that the Empire at this time put a blood price on the head of every Drowe. Many of my people who attempted to escape to the surface world were murdered for money - and I'll not pretend that many didn't deserve it - but far from all of them did.

Words have been written - not by me - describing my motivation in participating in bringing House Despana into the Volksraad. They are incorrect. When the edict of genocide was lifted from my people, my motivation in bringing Despana to the surface was to escape, as much as possible, the madness of a political system designed to have all Drowe constantly warring on each other, and virtually enslaving half of our race. It was not as successful as I would have liked, but for a couple of years we were able to build a closely-knit family that managed to not plot against each other most of the time. It was a good time. It was an almost impossible achievement and one I am still proud of.

I will not pretend that we would have been a pleasant group for the average human mercenary to encounter, and we were certainly quick to kill enemies who were foolish enough to put themselves in our way, but my family committed no crimes that I can recall that would result, for example, in outlawing today. We did not kill any fellow mercenaries that I know of, and the person I can remember treating the least pleasantly was a member of my own family who had started to work against Moiraine and myself - merciful that we were, he lived.

It didn't stay so stable forever, but that is another subject I will not discuss in public. It will suffice to say that I had to take a group of my closest family and allies away from the House to live a secret existence, again due to my temerity to wish to live, and not as a slave. I observed from afar with sorrow as House Despana took on a more destructive aspect than I had intended. Argoth ascended at this time. Need I say more?

I make my choices freely, and for myself, and I take full responsibility for all of them. I reject guilt by association with my race or any other being, and for actions and intentions that were not mine. If any believe that *I* committed a crime against them from a previous life, or did anything against them beyond some unpleasant words, let me know and we can discuss it as civilized people. If it was another Drowe, deal with them, and kindly do not ascribe their actions to me.

The Empire has changed in many ways since those days and is far wiser than before. The fundamental wisdom of the Empire is that everyone has to be able to live and contribute and have their place. This includes people who are dark in mind, heart and soul, and will not always behave as those who consider themselves pure and noble would like. It means having to live with some conflict and ugliness always, but at the price of not always being in open war, and being able to draw on the strength of the whole mercenary community to defend our home. I cannot imagine that any of you who were active as a mercenary in the early days of the Empire would want to return to them.

It is no easier for me to put aside these differences than any of you. I know what joining this church means. It is, among other things, a statement of my intent to defend our shared home, while remaining true to myself and my ancestors. I hope you will agree that this is something worth having, and reconsider the wisdom of rejecting my offer, as all the other paths from here are darker by far.

Andric is wise.
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Fionamullin
post Jul 7 2015, 03:31 PM
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Gideon,
Please advise what scripture you want me to make this Starsday?
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Fionamullin
post Jul 7 2015, 03:33 PM
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Oh and Rufus, aren't you still ostrasised for killing a goodly priest?
Maybe a little pot kettle?
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Jack
post Jul 7 2015, 07:17 PM
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Yeah, but I can't see how this has anything to do we this situation... I did not betray my friends or oaths to the land, I did not help a demon escape to entrap souls and kill innocents. I slew a priest who would kill any and all creatures of undeath, including members of our faith, and other mercenaries. I have no issue with my actions and I stand by them, I would do it again.

Just shoo yourself away and write scrolls for the traitor.

If that is your wish Andric then I will stand by you, but I will be wary and watching.

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Fionamullin
post Jul 10 2015, 05:48 PM
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Ok so notification forfits the make Kurten what do you want?
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(i'm only about Starsday so asap please?)


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Fionamullin
post Jul 12 2015, 05:41 PM
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Done Gideon, it's in the stores. 7k to make let me know what you want next?
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post Jul 12 2015, 07:00 PM
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Gideon

I have left the following scrolls 2 Gtr Communications, 2 TODs, 2 Prots and a Major ward for you in Halgar.

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OOC - there are in an envelope at the desk, although Sarah and Ian may have taken it to give to you


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Estarriol
post Jul 14 2015, 10:49 PM
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Milly, Kurten - thank you very much. Unfortunately the mission I was due to undertake is not happening (at least not with me) - so I'm not in nearly as much a hurry any more. Kurten, would you like your scrolls back? Or should I put them in the guild stores perhaps?

Milly - the short list I gave you last week is still valid currently; please put me on your waiting list behind Kurten and whoever else is already on it and I'll wait my turn.
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