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JamesC
post Jun 12 2018, 03:59 PM
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Looking for a clarification from the masses. The way the Contra Mastery vs all weapons ability is worded is "From Counter Mastery and contra mastery vs 3 weapons, now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons."

Does this mean a combination of any 3 counter and contra masteries is required to buy this ability or does it mean you need 3 counter masteries AND 3 contra masteries before you can buy it?

Also when you buy one of these against say swords, does it cover swords of all lengths or does the length need clarifying?


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post Jun 12 2018, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(JamesC @ Jun 12 2018, 04:59 PM) *
Looking for a clarification from the masses. The way the Contra Mastery vs all weapons ability is worded is "From Counter Mastery and contra mastery vs 3 weapons, now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons."

Does this mean a combination of any 3 counter and contra masteries is required to buy this ability or does it mean you need 3 counter masteries AND 3 contra masteries before you can buy it?


You can only buy counter mastery once as it applies to what you are using - you then need three contra masteries.

So if ou use a broad sword - counter broadsword
Then contra - bastard sword, bastard mace and hand mace

Then contra all weapons

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post Jun 12 2018, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Jun 12 2018, 05:03 PM) *
You can only buy counter mastery once as it applies to what you are using - you then need three contra masteries.

So if ou use a broad sword - counter broadsword
Then contra - bastard sword, bastard mace and hand mace

Then contra all weapons

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post Jun 12 2018, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan @ Jun 12 2018, 05:03 PM) *
You can only buy counter mastery once as it applies to what you are using - you then need three contra masteries.

So if ou use a broad sword - counter broadsword
Then contra - bastard sword, bastard mace and hand mace

Then contra all weapons

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What about if you use a sword sometimes and a mace other times. Can you not buy Counter Mastery Twice?

Then the other contras?


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post Jun 13 2018, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE(Ikwos @ Jun 13 2018, 12:46 AM) *
What about if you use a sword sometimes and a mace other times. Can you not buy Counter Mastery Twice?

Then the other contras?


Nope, standardly you can only buy Counter Mastery once.

And I think, I'd have to check, that Contra Mastery requires you to be using the same specific weapon you buy it in.

So you use a Broadsword to benefit from the Counter and Contra Masteries, change weapon and you use the benefit.

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post Jun 13 2018, 04:06 PM
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I think it depends where your brackets are...

From "Counter Mastery and contra mastery" vs 3 weapons, now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons

= counter mastery and 2 contras required

From Counter Mastery and "contra mastery vs 3 weapons", now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons

= counter mastery and 3 contras required

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post Jun 13 2018, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(DavidFisher @ Jun 13 2018, 05:06 PM) *
I think it depends where your brackets are...

From "Counter Mastery and contra mastery" vs 3 weapons, now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons

= counter mastery and 2 contras required

From Counter Mastery and "contra mastery vs 3 weapons", now gains Contra mastery vs all weapons

= counter mastery and 3 contras required

David

I'm pretty sure its meant to be 1 Counter Mastery and 3 Contra Masteries.

It's only worded in that slightly confusing way because by default you can only buy one 1 Counter Mastery.

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post Jun 13 2018, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(BBB @ Jun 13 2018, 05:20 PM) *
I'm pretty sure its meant to be 1 Counter Mastery and 3 Contra Masteries.

It's only worded in that slightly confusing way because by default you can only buy one 1 Counter Mastery.

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I read it as this too...
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post Jun 13 2018, 05:40 PM
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I concur, Counter and 3x Contra as the prereq for Contra all weapons.


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post Jun 13 2018, 10:28 PM
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Cool... I have Counter Broadsword and Contra Mace so need two more.

With a Max AC of 12 Counter of -6 or contra of -3, how do characters get more Damage reduction if you can only use one damage reduction ata time?


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post Jun 13 2018, 10:53 PM
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You can have 3 different damage reductions applying at once

1 numerical e.g 6pts Counter Mastery Broad Sword
1 percentile e.g. 25% Cold Rage
1 fractional e.g. 1/3 off weapon blows from Titan

There are now plenty of published ones with the Warrior, Races & Classes now available.


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